$4 NLHE 6-max: Should I have semi bluffed the turn?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 50/33/50

PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BB: $2.87
UTG: $4.55
MP: $4.10
CO: $4.76
BTN: $1.29
Hero (SB): $4.10
Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 2 K

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.24, 2 players) A Q 9
Hero bets $0.17, BB calls $0.17

Turn: ($0.58, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($0.58, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BB checks

Should I have betted on the turn?
 
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Semi bluffing micro games is probably the worst thing you could do. The point of semi bluffing is that you add fold equity to your hand. You don't have much FE at 4NL
 
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This is a very easy fold preflop for me. I don't want to play a hand like this OOP versus an aggro opponent.
 
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Blind v Blind, im not folding K2s. You cant stop playing because hes aggro...
 
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Never, ever folding pre. Not even if I've decided to try and nit it up.
 
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Jchoop: I win alot of money in 4nl by bluffing. Of course it is very opponent dependent, but even when I dont know them, it is often quite easy to figure out if they have a strong hand, and if not, they very often fold to even a 1/2 pot bet.
 
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Jchoop: I win alot of money in 4nl by bluffing. Of course it is very opponent dependent, but even when I dont know them, it is often quite easy to figure out if they have a strong hand, and if not, they very often fold to even a 1/2 pot bet.

im all for semi bluffing regardless of the stake. however i really dont see the point in this spot.

firstly, im going to assume based on the VPIP/PFR of this villain that hes never ever folding to Cbets. so playing OOP against him with somethign like K2s isnt ideal (having said that id open it here too).

Hes calling the flop w/ Ax, Qx, maybe even 9x, as well as JT, flush draws and all the retarded shit hell call. So you kind of have to expect to be called here. again betting here not ideal cos were drawing, but im all for building the pot. since youre OOP, i can only really suggest betting smaller, maybe like 1/2 pot on the flop since youre going to have to give up a lot of turns for the reasons stated. but yeah as ive explained, theres really no benefit to betting the turn here. so nh

Turn comes a total brick. if you Cbet here, he is calling you with literally the entire range that hell call on the flop. therefore, im all about your check. should he have bet here, i still think hes gunna peel the river if you checkraise, so there isnt really any point.

if you insist on putting more money in the pot, i think you have to x3 barrel for all the times hes gunna have draws, Qx, 9x, etc by the river, but yeah thats only if you think he can fold them
 
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Cheers jchoob, I get what you are saying. I meant more in general that bluffing works quite well in 4nl.
 
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I fold pre. I bet the turn.

Loose opponents have such wide ranges their fold equity is never going to be so terrible the nut flush draw isn't an EV+ bet. Main reason I bet this guy is that I want a big pot for when I hit my flush. But ye he could fold underpairs, gutshots maybe even a 9 lol. Semi bluffing vs aloose opponents is fine, if we didnt do it we'd never stack fish with our flushes and straight unless we flopped them.
 
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Fold pre. He's loose so won't fold as often as a tighter player especially when he has position, plus you have a nothing hand that doesn't flop very well. And otoh, what are the indicators that favor betting?
 
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Fold pre. He's loose so won't fold as often as a tighter player especially when he has position, plus you have a nothing hand that doesn't flop very well. And otoh, what are the indicators that favor betting?

Are you arguing that raising K2s pre against looser players isn't +ev? He's a fish and we have a suited hand with high card value, folding is gonna be worse than raising.
 
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