$4 NLHE 6-max: QQ hand in position

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888 Poker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $6.46 (VPIP: 24.21, PFR: 17.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.28, hands: 684)
BTN: $4.34 (VPIP: 23.15, PFR: 18.01, 3Bet Preflop: 5.50, Hands: 318)
SB: $4.08 (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 20.51, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
BB: $4.09 (VPIP: 36.92, PFR: 13.85, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 67)
Hero (UTG): $4.45
MP: $1.71 (VPIP: 12.90, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 31)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has Q:heart: Q:club:

Hero raises to $0.14, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.36, fold, Hero calls $0.22

Flop: ($0.76, 2 players) 8:heart: 5:spade: 7:club:
SB bets $0.57, Hero calls $0.57

Turn: ($1.90, 2 players) 8:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.95, SB calls $0.95

River: ($3.80, 2 players) 7:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets $1.90, SB raises to $2.20, Hero calls $0.30
 
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I'm guessing he probably had AA or KK based on his river raise. You still can't fold, because it is still super small in comparison to the pot, but yeah sucks.

I think the best line is to check back on the turn and call a decent sized bet on the river given no A or K appears. If an A or K appears on the river then you should fold. If he checks back on the river and there is no K or A then you can actually bet small to squeeze value out of AK or another holding like JJ or TT. If he re-raises there then fold, because chances are he's not bluffing. 88 or AA could possibly play that way. KK too if the river is a K.
 
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the hand is played good,probabily had something like AK or TT .
 
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I'd check behind on the turn, looks like the 8 on the turn slowed him down, anyway his range is most likely TT+ but it's probably more likely JJ+. I think keeping the pot as small as possible is the best option, I think check behind turn, call a decent sized bet on the river, I think it's probably an even money spot TT/JJ or AA/KK.
 
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I'd check behind on the turn, looks like the 8 on the turn slowed him down, anyway his range is most likely TT+ but it's probably more likely JJ+. I think keeping the pot as small as possible is the best option, I think check behind turn, call a decent sized bet on the river, I think it's probably an even money spot TT/JJ or AA/KK.

The villain is actually doing exactly your line sir.

I agree, the hero should do the same.
 
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I'd assume players at these stakes are probably only 3-betting JJ+/AK... especially versus UTG openers?

I don't mind the turn bet, but I think you should be checking behind on the river. I just don't think these guys 3-bet wide enough in a spot like this, so you're looking at 2 hands that beat you versus one hand you beat (that calls) and no better hands folding out.
 
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I guess because i'm also UTG he can't put me on an 8 as well.

Agree I should've just checked behind on the river argh! Save some money. Thanks!!

I've been trying to work on spots where it's pointless to bet and just check behind.


Thanks again
 
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Also think the villain had KK, AA. Check back river :)
 
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I don't understand a single street in this hand.

1. We only have 40 hands on this guy and he's not a nit. Why are we not reraising prefliop?
2. The flop kind of makes sense, but not in combination with the turn. Are we calling flop to induce bluffs? Instead of raising vs draws and protecting against overcards?
3. On the turn you made a committing bet. Were you ready to play for stacks here?
4. Why bet the river? The range he called the turn with contains few hands that will call again that you can beat.
 
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We have no information about the villian. With 42 hands stats are not quite trustworthy but we can assume he is going to have at least AQ+ TT+. I think you have to 4bet, you have a premium hand.
The call on the flop is perfect, you are not scared of straight draws. I think you bet on the turn is also perfect not only because villian showed weakness, but you steal aggression (this will help you in the river). In the river you must check, always, you only bet for value if you hit full boat. If you steal the aggression on the turn it is very likely that villian will check the river to let you bet, so you check and don't lose your entire stack if he has AA or KK.
 
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I guess because i'm also UTG he can't put me on an 8 as well.

Agree I should've just checked behind on the river argh! Save some money. Thanks!!

I've been trying to work on spots where it's pointless to bet and just check behind.


Thanks again

It's 4NL.. I don't think a thin value bet was misplaced. he would peel with 2 overs on the turn/could have added a FD to his 2 overs & probably would call a thin value bet on the river with 2P+A high.(and all overpairs to the board) better hands will r or c/r.

and a totally different line: why don't 4bet & be happy with getting it in preflop? or 3bet the flop?
 
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There is nothing wrong with the way the hand was played by us. Villain looks like a fish the way he played this hand - whatever hand he had.

I won't be shocked if villain has AK or AQ in this spot or pairs worse than QQ. Our bet on the river virtually asks villain for most of his chips so his raise for a few cents doesn't mean much so it should be seen as a call. I have seen people showing Ace high in such situations at such stakes.

We should be happy with our hand. :)
 
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I would play very different that hand. On I would put some bet, bet on turn too, and on river I would play just check/call.
Yup, I agree like other players, just check call on river.
 
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Question is if I 4bet shove.

Where is the value in that? Most times i'm only getting called by KK and AA... and the rest are folding weaker hands, except for the odd bad players.

Normally my line is call the 3bet, and if an overcard hits... I check river check turn and then bet the river... or call it and make my money from medium pockets that way.
 
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You shouldn't 4-bet shove. You should 4-bet ~25BB, and call a shove. That way you're keeping bluffs in his range (I admit that they're not likely to be there, but they may) and you're a favorite vs. AK (which should certainly be in his range and he should be unlikely to fold it, yes?). AK (16 combos) is more likely than AA/KK (12 combos) and there's of course, for some players, a bluff range and possibly even JJ (against which you're a huge favorite, with 6 combos).

So... 4bet.
 
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You shouldn't 4-bet shove. You should 4-bet ~25BB, and call a shove. That way you're keeping bluffs in his range (I admit that they're not likely to be there, but they may) and you're a favorite vs. AK (which should certainly be in his range and he should be unlikely to fold it, yes?). AK (16 combos) is more likely than AA/KK (12 combos) and there's of course, for some players, a bluff range and possibly even JJ (against which you're a huge favorite, with 6 combos).

So... 4bet.


Hmmm I see sometimes at the microstakes ppl 3bet shove with hands like AK or medium pocket pair.

That's why I thought perhaps 4 bet shove... But agree if I 4bet shove i'm usually getting called in a bad spot and losing a tone of value due to folds.

I'll see how the 25BB works out and go from there after a year of playing it.
 
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