$4 NLHE 6-max: Middle Pair and Straight Draw vs Shortstack.

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Cliffnotes: 98h in big blind. There is a raise and a caller. I flop middle pair and an open-ended straight draw on a two tone board. I check raised a short stack which left him with a stack about half pot sized when he called. I shoved the turn which gave him a two pair.

Concerns: Should I have shoved the flop? What should I be thinking about the third player in the hand?


Cake - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem (6 players)
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SB: $3.96
BB Hero: $4
UTG: $4.60
MP: $5.15
CO: $6.71
BTN: $2.20

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is BB and dealt :9h4: :8h4:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, SB folds, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.38) :10s4: :8s4: :7h4: (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.98, CO folds, BTN calls $0.78

Turn: ($2.34) :10s4: :8s4: :7h4: :3c4: (2 players)
Hero bets $2.34, BTN calls $1.10 (All-in)

River: ($5.78) :10s4: :8s4: :7h4: :3c4: :qd4: (2 players)
 
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Great hand to post, its one of those that could go a bunch of different ways postflop.

The first decision in the hand to call instead of 3-bet seems questionable to me. I don't mind flatting to bluff postflop, its just that the half stack is going to get committed quick, leaving us less room to bluff. I think I'd prefer to squeeze pre.

On the flop, I'd rather donk lead than check-raise. It keeps the pot smaller, and is more likely to get calls from hands you beat. I'm not sure you have much FE, especially against the button since this flop smacks his range.

Honestly, I think check/raising the flop against the button is probably the worst line you could take. Suited connectors are really funny like that, since they're very hard to play postflop.
 
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Say I donk lead and the button calls. Turn is seemingly a blank, would you fire again? Would I shove if raised on the flop?

Say they both call. Then what would you do on the turn?
 
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I'd prolly check most turns. When we bet the flop, we protect from overs drawing out on our pair, charge draws we beat, attack dead money, and set us up to semibluff scary turns. Most turns wont be scary, hands like KQ have already folded, and we want to keep the pot small unless we improve. So alot of the reasons to bet aren't there anymore.

If the shorty raises us, I think I'd lean towards folding. Fish typically dont semibluff draws. I'd guess we dont quite have the equity to stack. But its close, and shoving wouldnt be a huge mistake.
 
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I don't really like flatting preflop. 3bet or fold imo.

Also not a fan of ch/raising the shorty. Our equity if we get it in isn't going to be very good on average and he's never folding anything better. Donking looks good and I'm probably leading again on most turns.
 
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Donking looks good and I'm probably leading again on most turns.
I dont think we have much FE or worse that will call. While we dont need much fold equity since we have outs, I'm not convinced we get many folds. Could you elaborate some here?
 
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I dont think we have much FE or worse that will call. While we dont need much fold equity since we have outs, I'm not convinced we get many folds. Could you elaborate some here?
I think if we lead and get called on the flop we'll be up against enough draws that will call again on the turn to justify leading the turn. I'd also like to set the price for seeing the river.

Would you lead a turned heart?
 
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I don't really like flatting preflop. 3bet or fold imo.

Also not a fan of ch/raising the shorty. Our equity if we get it in isn't going to be very good on average and he's never folding anything better. Donking looks good and I'm probably leading again on most turns.

this. Fold pre. It's better to be the aggressor and making that call pre you are looking for an amazing flop. Once you flop that, just call not rr. The guy isn't folding any pockets there, which is what he has a decent amount of the time going 12, 20. Who are you trying to fold out with the RR? Just over cards and maybe top pair hands? They both have a good chance against you when they call and a decent amount of his range is not folding ever. On the turn shove you are just suicidal. He already bet pre and flop, then called a rr, he isn't folding and he has your 89 beat. You just put a dollar in with 25% IMO.
 
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Great hand to post, its one of those that could go a bunch of different ways postflop.

The first decision in the hand to call instead of 3-bet seems questionable to me. I don't mind flatting to bluff postflop, its just that the half stack is going to get committed quick, leaving us less room to bluff. I think I'd prefer to squeeze pre.

Calling pre I think is pretty bad but I don't know about 3betting. Because of btn's stack size we can probably assume he's awful which means our 3bet gets called amount of the time by him which puts us in an awkward spot on the flop wouldn't it?
 
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Calling pre I think is pretty bad but I don't know about 3betting. Because of btn's stack size we can probably assume he's awful which means our 3bet gets called amount of the time by him which puts us in an awkward spot on the flop wouldn't it?

In my experience, fish typically respect 3-bets, since they only do it themselves with the nuts.
 
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