$4 NLHE 6-max: Is this line ok? 3-handed

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Should I raise the flop?

Merge No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (3 handed) - Merge Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($4)
BB ($9.59)
Hero (Button) ($12.67)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q
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, 10
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Hero bets $0.12,1 fold, BB calls $0.12,

Flop: ($0.28) K
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, A
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, Q
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.64) 8
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

River: ($1.60) 8
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

Total pot: $3.60 | Rake: $0.18
 
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Nice draw there! The problem with raising the flop is that the only hand likely to continue are two broadway cards and most if them are slightly ahead of you (only slightly) and most of them I doubt are folding. I prefer the way you played it, because it is multiway you can get big payoffs sometimes.

I think drawing is better than raising when slightly behind in a small pot with little fold equity
 
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Any reads or stats for BB?

I'd be inclined to raise hoping he caught a piece of that flop.
 
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Any reads or stats for BB?

I'd be inclined to raise hoping he caught a piece of that flop.

I stoved the range I think you'd get it in with otf or would call a raise, i don't like flipping for 250bb, not sure about you??
Board: As Ks Qc

Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied

Hand 0: 44.990% 44.55% 00.44% 17200 170.50 { QsTs }

Hand 1: 55.010% 54.57% 00.44% 21069 170.50 { KK+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }

I think the flops fine. Your like 250bb deep so I like that we close the betting and stop him coming ott as I think we're not doing well at all when he does that. We can also see what he does on the turn and not have to rely on our draw coming in to win the hand.
I'm not sure about the turn call though. What could he have that barrels here, a worse FD is unlikely, so looks like he has at least an overpair to your queens or a better Qx, your only getting like 2-1 on your call with one card to come and I can't see you having much sd value should the spade not come. My opinion could change though i guess depending on BB stats. As played I think the vbet on the river is fine, i'm guessing you were beat here though.
 
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Looks alright to me. Dont know if i'd wanna raise the flop either being so deep. On the turn we have about 20% equity, the pot is offering us 2.3:1 so we need to 30% equity to immediately make the call +EV, however we need to think about implied odds. So if we can get a half pot sized bet on the river off the villain when we hit our flush, then we have got the right price to call, which you did so its a good play. Note if you bet less than half the pot here then it would be -EV to call the turn bet.
 
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I stoved the range I think you'd get it in with otf or would call a raise, i don't like flipping for 250bb, not sure about you??
Board: As Ks Qc

Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied

Hand 0: 44.990% 44.55% 00.44% 17200 170.50 { QsTs }

Hand 1: 55.010% 54.57% 00.44% 21069 170.50 { KK+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }

Thats a mighty tight range you've given villian there. Thats kinda one reason we need reads on this guy but i'd assume his FCR is a lot wider than that in the face of a raise (for an average 4NLer). I'm thinking he's calling very wide pre flop and would continue with all sorts of stuff outside the range you have given.
 
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Thats a mighty tight range you've given villian there. Thats kinda one reason we need reads on this guy but i'd assume his FCR is a lot wider than that in the face of a raise (for an average 4NLer). I'm thinking he's calling very wide pre flop and would continue with all sorts of stuff outside the range you have given.

i assume the range he's giving him would be his stacking or continuing range after we raise the flop which I think is pretty good.

I like raising the flop too
 
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i assume the range he's giving him would be his stacking or continuing range after we raise the flop which I think is pretty good.

I like raising the flop too

You would assume correctly! : )
 
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i assume the range he's giving him would be his stacking or continuing range after we raise the flop which I think is pretty good.

I like raising the flop too

Maybe my opinion but I think in 4NL they're calling a flop raise wider than that. Unless you know he's a decent reg i'd be willing to put A5+ in his range aswell as some Kx combinations with x being a spade. I think you're giving too much credit to 4NL players by saying they'll only continue with two pair or TPTK (i've seen a lot worse calls).

Just to clear it up once and forall, Cardriver what kind of player was he?
 
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ok, even if he calls wider how does that change our decision to raise or not raise lol?
 
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ok, even if he calls wider how does that change our decision to raise or not raise lol?

Peeleo was saying he wouldn't raise because we're flipping against his range but I was trying to argue we have more equity than Peeleo thinks because the villians flop continueing range is wider than he has put on PS. I dunno, if someone can convince me not to raise this flop, fair play, i'm all for learning new stuff.

I stoved the range I think you'd get it in with otf or would call a raise, i don't like flipping for 250bb, not sure about you??
 
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Oh ok dIdnt read that part
 
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Villain has put in 4.5 BBs on the flop, I don't see how raising another 12-15 BBs or whatever means we're going to be putting in 250 anywhere. If having 250 BBs keeps you from making a profitable move it's possibly best to rathole.
 
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