$4 NLHE 6-max: how to play gut shot draw

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I do not know how to play these gut shot draw.Do I play too aggressive. As the first example, it probably is useful to get the information that he has a strong hand.
Which way is better to play these hands.


CO: $1.19 (29.7 bb)
BTN: $4.67 (116.8 bb)
SB: $5.62 (140.5 bb)
BB: $1.88 (47 bb)
Hero (UTG): $11.69 (292.3 bb)
MP: $2.76 (69 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A
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K
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Hero raises to $0.12, 4 folds, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.26) J
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J
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T
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.21, BB raises to $1.76 and is all-in,


CO: $4.06 (101.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $4.82 (120.5 bb)
SB: $2.45 (61.3 bb)
BB: $4.74 (118.5 bb)
UTG: $5.08 (127 bb)
MP: $9.11 (227.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q
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A
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3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, SB raises to $0.28, BB folds, Hero calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.60) J
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8
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K
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB raises to $2.17 and is all-in,




BTN: $4 (100 bb)
SB: $6.32 (158 bb)
Hero (BB): $9.92 (248 bb)
UTG: $6.98 (174.5 bb)
MP: $10.21 (255.3 bb)
CO: $5.27 (131.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K
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J
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2 folds, CO raises to $0.12, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.26) 9
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3
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Q
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(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.53, CO raises to $5.15,
 
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1. Fold
2. Fold
3. Fold (to the cbet)
 
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Yes, but am I too aggressive on the flop for all these 3 hands. or it depends
 
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Hand 1: CAll don't raise
Hand 2: bet/fold is fine
Hand 3: Call don't raise
 
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Hands 1 seems fine. Flatting the 3bet preflop in hand 2 is probably a huge mistake considering villain's stack size (fold or shove over). Raising the flop bet in hand 3 is undoubtedly an error.
 
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yeah I was just talking about the flop. You might be right and raise/folding Hand 1 is better.

For sure, raising in Hand 3 is terrible. We have so much hidden equity and a ton of good turn cards that getting 3-bet here is a total disaster. Preflop is also marginal at best.
 
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yeah I was just talking about the flop. You might be right and raise/folding Hand 1 is better.

For sure, raising in Hand 3 is terrible. We have so much hidden equity and a ton of good turn cards that getting 3-bet here is a total disaster. Preflop is also marginal at best.
Yeah hand 1 could be a flat against some players but those little donks bets are so often hands that are planning to fold to any aggression but don't want to ch/fold for whatever reason.

Yeah hand 3 is def. marginal preflop.
 
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Hand 1: Just call the 4 cents on the flop
Hand 2: Check flop, fold to a bet. Maybe B/F here is good...
Hand 3: Fold flop.
 
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actually i think c-r is ok in Hand 3, i forget we were OOP.
 
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actually i think c-r is ok in Hand 3, i forget we were OOP.

I would like to have some sort of read on the player before I did this. With an unknown it seems very risky. People seem to love going with top pair hands in the micros. If I was playing against puke after seeing these hands I would do it ;)
 
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Seems hands 1 is fine, now I am feeling better. Maybe check with a str draw is not bad.

About hand 3, the villian 33/19, play aggressive, so with gutter shot and a back door flush, I thought it is standard for c/r. Maybe this is the one I worried less.

Anyway maybe a open str draw I know I can check. But with these gutter shot i am really confused
 
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Hand 1: Just call the 4 cents on the flop
Hand 2: Check flop, fold to a bet. Maybe B/F here is good...
Hand 3: Fold flop.

Ditto.
Assuming all villains are unknown.

Hand1 we're ahead of anything that isn't a pair, have good equity and looking at villains fishy stack size probably don't fold out much that we don't already beat.

Hand2, don't hate the call probably do the same myself as the 3bets so small. Villain fishy stack size makes me think we're up against a pretty strong range most the time though so I am not willing to c-bet, check behind and hope for a showdown/A/Q/T

Hand3, I fold pre. As played I fold the flop. Straight draws aren't as good on flush draw boards as only 3 of our outs are clean. More importantly our villain has c-bet a very wet flop, making his air range somewhat smaller. I only raise this up if I'm prepared to keep betting to remove the draws from villains range on the turn or villain medicore hands on the river. Without reads on villain and only 3 clean out I'm not willing to do this.
 
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Really I did not realize it is so wet. Maybe a lot of draw. Do you mean he probably has made hand and want to kick me out. Should he bet more.

Ditto.


Hand3, I fold pre. As played I fold the flop. Straight draws aren't as good on flush draw boards as only 3 of our outs are clean. More importantly our villain has c-bet a very wet flop, making his air range somewhat smaller. I only raise this up if I'm prepared to keep betting to remove the draws from villains range on the turn or villain medicore hands on the river. Without reads on villain and only 3 clean out I'm not willing to do this.
 
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hand 3 illustrates perfectly the problem of playing offsuit broadway hands OOP. If he had KcJc we'd be pretty happy to get all the money in on the flop because our equity is huge.
 
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1 wp
2 wp, now fold
3 fold pre, fold otf
 
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Really I did not realize it is so wet. Maybe a lot of draw. Do you mean he probably has made hand and want to kick me out. Should he bet more.

There are straight draw and flush draw opportunities with mid to high cards it's pretty wet. JT/KJ/KT/XcXc/AQ/KQ/QJ/QT/Q9/99+/T9/89/J9 all hit this board. As said previously a lot of this range could be knocked out with two or three barrels when dealing with an unknown I'm not willing to take this risk though. For all we know this guys a station who will never fold Qx, a maniac who will ship his draws on the turn or a nit whos range is heavily tilted towards good queens and sets.

Villains will have less air because in general people are more likely to bluff dry flops. He will be semi-bluffing a lot but we won't get a fold on the flop from them either. That and he will have less air in the first place to bluff even if he wanted to.

As for his bet sizing I think 4/5ths is what I'd go for here 90% of the time.
 
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