$4 NLHE 6-max: Fold, Raise, Shove or Call with QQ preflop?

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pokerstars Hand #74618634248: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2012/01/28 14:20:59 WET [2012/01/28 9:20:59 ET]
Table 'Ogyalla IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: kylawAMG ($5.41 in chips)
Seat 2: Pajeringa ($5.77 in chips)
Seat 3: doomasiggy ($6.64 in chips)
Seat 4: zhyrdiai ($11.76 in chips)
Seat 5: ilu81 ($5.19 in chips)
Seat 6: ChipBatya ($5 in chips)
zhyrdiai: posts small blind $0.02
ilu81: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qc Qd]
ChipBatya: folds
kylawAMG: folds
Pajeringa: raises $0.10 to $0.15
Hero: raises $0.30 to $0.45
zhyrdiai: folds
ilu81: folds
Pajeringa: raises $0.60 to $1.05

Hero: ???

Pajeringa stats according to Pokeredge (523k hands):

Tight/Loose: 18%
Pre Flop Raise: 16%
Cbet: 65%
Aggression: 51%

EDIT: sorry, I think I put the numbers in wrong when making the thread. It should read $0.04 NLHE 6-max
 
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That 4bet from a reg (523K hands must be a reg!) looks pretty strong, usually means QQ+ or AK.

As you are in position, I would call and see what he does on the flop.
 
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How accurate is pokeredge? Wat are his 3bet stats?
 
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I wouldn't call to see what he does on the flop. His cold 4-bet range is always betting. I think it's a fold. Did you know his pokeredge stats at the time?
 
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How accurate is pokeredge? Wat are his 3bet stats?

I searched his stats on pokeredge, but that's only the free version. It seems pretty accurate, they had his stats and his games up to the 26th of January. I searched my own online name to double check and they had mine up to the 26th and it was the right statistics so I think I can accept it as pretty accurate.

I wouldn't call to see what he does on the flop. His cold 4-bet range is always betting. I think it's a fold. Did you know his pokeredge stats at the time?

I searched his stats before this hand yeah.
 
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Shove! 6 max, QQ is good. Player is raising a lot and being aggressive. Obv tough to judge just on this info alone but your hand range goes down drastically in 6 max, you can afford to be looser to gain more value on your hands. QQ is only beat by 2 hands and 50/50 with ak. I will 3 bet a lot more in lower limit 6 max just because so many ppl play them like it is regular ring game. end note: I think QQ is good here, get it in.
 
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Shove! 6 max, QQ is good. Player is raising a lot and being aggressive. Obv tough to judge just on this info alone but your hand range goes down drastically in 6 max, you can afford to be looser to gain more value on your hands. QQ is only beat by 2 hands and 50/50 with ak. I will 3 bet a lot more in lower limit 6 max just because so many ppl play them like it is regular ring game. end note: I think QQ is good here, get it in.

What range are you giving someone that just cold 4-bet you where QQ is good?
 
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Looks like a normal 4bet to me. A cold 4bet would be when he was yet to act and made the 4bet after another person opened and we 3bet. However, he opened and then 4bet our 3bet.

Anyways, tough spot, but I do have a tendency to go broke with QQ AIPF (more likely to CO vs BTN), so perhaps I shouldn't give my opinion!
 
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I tend to go broke too but QQ is my biggest loosing hand in HE. In 4NL people don't tend to 4bet lighter than AA/KK/AK which is probably why stacking is bad.
I can't really work out the positions. If he's UTG, UTG+1 I fold.
Also if you've been playing tight or passive I snap fold. He's a reg who will look at your stats. If you're 3b is ~2% he's only 4betting tight here so I fold.
 
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Yeah I tend to agree with that.

I think villain is in the CO and we're on the BTN if I'm following the action correctly.
 
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First time i ever heard of a data mining hud,I don't like it.
 
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Unimaginative micro TAGs don't 4-bet small with AK, I think it's a puke fold.
 
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I'm a huge losing cash player, so I shove this PF because I can't ever fold Queens 6max even though I'd expect someone who is 4betting me to turn over Queens+ A,K.

Queens in 6max is such a monster, but yeah it does smell like we're beat.
 
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Looks like a normal 4bet to me. A cold 4bet would be when he was yet to act and made the 4bet after another person opened and we 3bet. However, he opened and then 4bet our 3bet.

Anyways, tough spot, but I do have a tendency to go broke with QQ AIPF (more likely to CO vs BTN), so perhaps I shouldn't give my opinion!

I really need to learn to read hand histories better, I thought he cold 4-bet from blinds, didn't realise he'd opened pot.

I still think it's a fold though, althought I just get stacks in and reload.
 
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