$4 NLHE 6-max: Flopped Set Multiway OOP

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Merge, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunners - Hand Details

MP: $2.90 (72.5 bb) (65/18/8.7)
CO: $7.12 (178 bb)
BTN: $7.45 (186.3 bb)
Hero (SB): $4.61 (115.3 bb)
BB: $1.73 (43.3 bb)
UTG: $4.12 (103 bb) (24/20/10.1)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7
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UTG raises to $0.12, MP calls $0.12, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, BB folds

Flop: ($0.40) J
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7
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6
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(3 players)


So I run into these situations a lot and I would like to know what you guys thing. The board isn't super draw heavy but there are still a lot of draws out there. Do I check, with the idea of check raising/ check calling? Or should I lead out, and hope to get called by someone with a made hand? Also if I bet out how much do you think?

Thanks

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I think at micro stakes, your opponents bet size gives you a lot of info. So i would probably check raise like 3x if he would bet 2/3 pot or more and only check call if it was less than that.
Other aspect is the fish on MP. If he calls the cbet from the player utg i would also check raise so not to give him odds to chase his draw
 
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In multi-way pots, especially with drawy boards like this, you should lead out. You're less likely to get a c-bet when the pots are multi-way and the flop is bad for a preflop raiser. So go ahead and lead for $0.35 or so.
 
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Let the UTG continue his aggression.

If you feel something dangerous on the turn, you have to punish them with their draws.
 
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lead, you have a preflop aggressor who may be holding QQ+/Jx which he'll re-raise you with a good amount of the time, you also have a 65/18 player who's probably not going to fold to a flop bet.
 
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At micro-stakes, people play much more of an ABC poker style. Don't expect your opponents to truly analyze what a check-raise means, or what min raises mean, or pretty much any other advanced maneuvers. Plus, with my experience, if your opponent has a flush draw or open-ender they WILL chase REGARDLESS of pot odds, because they likely have no idea what pot odds are.
 
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Are you asking this cause he had JJ?
Some general play would be to check back to original raiser instead of donk bet....
I would check back to him and than decide what to do...
If you donk bet here and he have like AT,AQ+ he could easily fold to your bet,but if you check and he cbet,than you can reraise him and extract more from him... Lot of his range will make a cbet

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Its too bad you are OOP, but still I would also lead out because you want to get those flush draws out, so bet enough chips for that. Also you want to build a pot. If everyone directly folds then so be it.
 
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Are you asking this cause he had JJ?
Some general play would be to check back to original raiser instead of donk bet....
I would check back to him and than decide what to do...
If you donk bet here and he have like AT,AQ+ he could easily fold to your bet,but if you check and he cbet,than you can reraise him and extract more from him... Lot of his range will make a cbet

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I must say this also makes a lot of sense though. So his cbet habits are key here.
 
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The temptations for Fancy Play lead to a disease. It has a name; FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome). You might think it has a cure, but amazingly that cure is often worse than the syndrome itself. The symptoms of this condition are based in greed, which as we all know, kills. We collectively seem to think we can sneak a few extra bets out of our suckers, and while that happens often enough, that occasional slap in the face leave a mark that doesn't go away fast.

If you give your villains a chance to catch up, they will on occasion, and you will sit there with a shit smelling frown on your face and everyone else at the table chuckling under their breaths at how stupid it was to slow play the flopped nuts, and letting the fish catch.

Bet out... It can only help in the long run .

Size it above 1/2 pot. There might be time when you could shove OOP with a made set, like very early in a tourney when you have a good chance of some fish thinking his AJo is the nuts, and calling you.

Don't feel all that bad tho about that desire to play fancy. The rewards are often substantial, and actually rarely so devastating as to cause you to contemplate suicide, or go kick a cat.;);)
 
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I think there are a few ways to play this. Personally i would lead out here and my bet would be at least 30 cents that is more than 70 percent of the pot. Because it gives our opponent a chance to call or raise with worse hands. If they do then that is exactly what we would want.:cool:
 
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It all depends on the C bet stat of the original raiser and how the fish reacts to hands being checked around to him provided you have noticed the table enough to have an idea about that.

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Betting half of the pot, then if the next card is blank (mean not scary flush card or straight card)you can just check and hope for raise which u flat calling and if river is good card for us you can raise 2/3 of the board if it is scary card just check or make smaller raise sth like 1/3 of the pot, thats how i would played this set.
 
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No, I do not like leading out, and here's why. To automatically assume someone is on a draw is playing extremely scared. If any of you have read Harrington's 6 max online microstakes book, he does the math for hands such as these, and comes to the conclusion that the opponent is only on a draw like 4-6% of the time. This means with 2 players its like 8-12%, which is wayyyyy more than people consider.

The most profitable play here is to check-raise the flop. This does a few things:
1. Gets a c-bet out of the initial aggressor you might not have gotten should you have donk bet the flop.
2. Ruins the odds for the rare cases people ARE drawing and bet half pot to semi-bluff and give themselves the right odds.
3. Gives you more value out of the fish if he decides to call the c-bet with the intention to float.

Very rarely are you not going to see aggression from a tight, UTG opener post-flop. If the hand does go check/check, this probably means that the players weren't going to call your donk bet anyway. Unfortunate, but it happens. In this case leading out on the turn is great.

tl;dr Check-raise or check-call flop, don't donk bet here imo
 
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Lead for value. If they have some piece they will call.
 
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This depends on the villain cbet rate a low cbet I would lead a high cbet I would check raise or check call depending on what I think the other villains are doing in this hand. I think this is pretty draw heavy in my opinion.
 
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