$4 NLHE 6-max: Dream flop, best action vs. check raise?

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I had KJ on CO. Raised to 13c, called by BB.

Flop's AQT with two diamonds. He checks, I throw out a 75% pot bet. He raises me to 60c.

So here, I have him on either AT, AQ or TT, so if a diamond, K or J hits on the turn, it might scare him to slow down.

So is the best move here to shove?

I have just around $2.80 left. No read on villain. Never played him before.
 
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When you get raised on a flop like that and you hold the nuts just shove.
 
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you didn't mention stack sizes but yeah, shove. think about how strong his range is there to c/r on that board.
 
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you shoved & he folded. 'nh'
 
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Him check raising "usually" is either a complete bluff or the nuts, or close to it. I think shoving here is the right play, or even raising BIG enough for him to be pot commited on the turn either way. He could well be raising a nut diamond draw which again is fine, either way just get the stacks in now. flatting is out of the question as he could well get away on a bad turn/river card. He's never folding two pair/sets here so get those chips in the middle.
 
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btw it may not matter in this case but generally the suits of the cards matter a lot in hand analysis.

For example, you raise with 99 and get a caller from the blinds, flop is Ah 9d 2d, the combos of hands he could stack off with are higher than if the board is Ad 9h 2d.
 
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The suits were KdJc and AcQs

Flop was AhQdTd.

Yeah shoving is what I should have done. I ended up making a mistake.

I ended up raising to $1.40, leaving $1.40 behind. The reason I did this was to make it enticing for him to call if he had something like AJ or AT, whereas a shove could have scared him off. (at 4NL, I've seen stranger)

Luckily for me, he 4 bet all in. I was better off just shoving and knowing I got it in ahead.
 
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I shove. I generally dislike slow-playing straights even when we've a nutted straight.

Any K or jack may scare our villain away or diamond. Any A/Q/T or diamond may put us behind or counterfeit villains two pair.

If villain was bluffing he probably weren't following it up anyway. If villains check-raising for value he's stacking.
 
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If the villain is unkown, how come you put him on such a tight range? On a 3 broadway 2 flush flop he could have a ton of hands, especially at 4nl. AJ, AK,KJ, flush draws, pair+fd, etc.

Why didnt you start with 100bb?

I would have cb bigger. Theres a lot of hands that will be calling you here and players will call 75% pot just as much as 90%.

I would also shove the flop to his raise. I think 4nl they will call with a lot worse on such a wet flop. Also in general, aggression on a 3 broadway flop is quite strong so chances are he wont be folding if you raise.
 
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At 4NL, most guys aren't making a play when they check raise. Unless someone proves to be a maniac, chances are he has a strong hand there.

I play with 75BB. I am comfortable with it. I find that stacking off pre is rare and having a smaller stack offers less implied odds.

Those might be stupid reasons, but I've won everywhere with it and I am comfortable with "small ball."
 
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