$4 NLHE 6-max: confusion while holding a set.

zEric7x

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Sorry if the forum is getting flooded with my micro stakes hands :D . I know though people give genuine advice I am greatly appreciate that. I really do read every response and take it in.

Hero (SB) ($4)
BB ($7.73)
UTG ($1.61)
MP ($4.07)
Button ($4.56)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J
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, J
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UTG calls $0.04, 1 fold, Button raises $0.12,

I didn't want to 3 bet but I wasn't folding. So I call.

Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold,
UTG calls $0.08
Flop: ($0.40) 2
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, J
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, 3
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(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets $0.27, Hero raises $0.97,

Apparently I over do this check raising action as previously told but I just do it sometimes...it is a habit.

1 fold, Button calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.34) 6
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(2 players)


I make what I think is a value bet.
Hero bets $2
,

...and this happens.
Button raises $3.47 (All-In)

Heros suggested action?

Results when ready to see them
Button had 5
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, 4
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(straight, seven high).
Outcome: Button won $8.27
Man I hate when this happens. This time it wasn't with a pair I fell to much in love with :(. I just cant stand the idea of losing with a set. It is a very hard fold for me.
 
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Sorry if the forum is getting flooded with my micro stakes hands :D . I know though people give genuine advice I am greatly appreciate that. I really do read every response and take it in.

Hero (SB) ($4)
BB ($7.73)
UTG ($1.61)
MP ($4.07)
Button ($4.56)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J
spade.gif
, J
club.gif

UTG calls $0.04, 1 fold, Button raises $0.12,

I didn't want to 3 bet but I wasn't folding. So I call.

Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold,
UTG calls $0.08
Flop: ($0.40) 2
heart.gif
, J
diamond.gif
, 3
heart.gif
(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets $0.27, Hero raises $0.97,

Apparently I over do this check raising action as previously told but I just do it sometimes...it is a habit.

1 fold, Button calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.34) 6
club.gif
(2 players)


I make what I think is a value bet.
Hero bets $2,

...and this happens.
Button raises $3.47 (All-In)

Heros suggested action?

Results when ready to see them
Button had 5
diamond.gif
, 4
club.gif
(straight, seven high).
Outcome: Button won $8.27
Man I hate when this happens. This time it wasn't with a pair I fell to much in love with :(. I just cant stand the idea of losing with a set. It is a very hard fold for me.

Reasons for not 3-betting pre?

Suppose you could lead out on the flop as board is a bit wet, but check-raising is fine.


Snap call turn. Have not looked at results.
 
zEric7x

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Reasons for not 3-betting pre?
It actually was just a normal open raise sorry. I must of got that confused with the other 2 hands I posted at the around the same time.
 
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Bet the flop. If he folds, what's the likelihood of getting him to play a big pot anyway? You're more likely to get three streets of value by simply betting all three streets.

And snap-call the turn. What's his likely range, and how much of it has you beat, even before considering the pot odds? Folding because there's a small chance he has his actual hand is pretty poor poker.
 
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Call for me sir. pot odds is very favorable. One more thing, there is no action of betting next. Your hand is even strong. No hesitation, call sir.
 
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always call here. you win many of his strong hand (AK of hearts, bottom sets, QQ+ ) and lose to exactly the hand he had , that's just a cooler and pot odds make it favorable to call.
thing is , had you 3 bet pre this could have been avoided, but then again, maybe not :)
 
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Always call. He will have lower sets/2p very often, sometimes overpair or FD and even against the straight, you have the pot odds to call.
 
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Definitely a call, when u made that $2 bet you were committed
 
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we GII on turn... we have outs and often we will beat his range... even a cooler in our favour :)

Since he has like 1 hand that has us beat and a ton of hands he'd play this way with that we dominate... We shove turn simple and we have outs on the river if he did get the straight and remember if he keeps doing this eventually we will gain from him.



And just remember to have a plan in a hand. Our plan by not 3betting came off this time as we hit a set. He just sucked out so just play it the similar with him next time or get in more hands against him when he's in later position knowing he plays wide...

Exploit and you'll gain back + more from this guy.
 
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check raising is honestly a really weak play at the micros and you lose a lot of value when you do this, it usually just ends up giving your opponent free cards
i'm convinced your opponent was calling any flop bet but in theory you need to bet to protect your hand.
 
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Over-doing the check-raise is all about understanding your value range. For example, on this board, viable value check-raises (given pre-flop) are 22, 33, and JJ. That's only 9 combinations. Players in your spot usually don't play J3, J2, or 32s!

So to remain deceptive, you aren't going to have to check-raise too many semi-bluffing hands. Many players simply check-raise any draw, and any value hand on boards like this without realizing that the play heavily weights their range to draws.

For this hand, you do have one of the 9 hands that are clearly strong enough to check-raise. You want to get in money against slightly weaker hands by representing a check-raise bluff. In this case, it's good that you might over-do it a bit because it should get you more action. So if these guys have an inkling about your play style, you should be very ecstatic about check-raising a strong hand those rare times you have them.

On the turn, you can probably bet just a hair smaller because 54 got there and hands like QQ are going to be less inclined to call your bet knowing that one of your more likely semi-bluff check-raises got there on the turn (especially one that your opponent is less likely to have given pre-flop).

Even with a smaller bet size, when facing an all-in bet on the turn, you should undoubtedly call the bet with this hand. Even if your opponent is not bluffing, he could easily be moving in for value with a worse hand like 22 or 33. Even if he showed you a straight, you have 10 outs and it's a close decision. If there's a possibility that your opponent has a worse hand for value and/or a big combination draw, you must call given your pot odds and absolute strength of your hand.
 
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for me is a shove, the only hand you were losing was 54, and if you had a little info of the villain maybe you could be clear that you were way ahead, the only hand i think he could have were something like AJ, KJ or QJ and probably he had the draw flush too, so he was shoving with TPTK and draw flush so still you were the clear favourite to win the pot in at least 35/44
 
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3bet pre and snap call on the turn.. just 1.5 more to call on a $8 pot
 
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This should be a standard 3-bet. Although I don't think he's folding often, but you have to be more aggressive because it's awkward playing pocket pairs like JJ post-flop oop without the pre-flop initiative especially with overs on the board, but I'm assuming you knew all of that.

This is a snap call for me, even if I'm beat I still have some outs to improve which the pot odds offer and he will often do it with a lower set and AJ of hearts. Call and forget.
 
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