$4 NLHE 6-max: Bad bluff or bad call by villain?

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So i lost my whole stack from trying to bluff this guy and he called all the way down. We had no information on each other as it was fastforward.
Personally i think that my opponent should have folded as i thought it was a good bluff and since he had no info on me he should have folded. He didnt seem like a fish with his stack size to bee honest.

$0.02/$0.04 Fastforward 6 max partypoker

Hero (BB) : (A-Ko) ($5.70)
Villain (MP) ($8.65)

PRE-FLOP;

Villain in MP raises $0.12, Villain 2 in CO calls $0.12, folded to Hero BB re-raises to $0.40, Villain calls, Villain 2 folds

FLOP; [4H, 2S, 3H]

Hero bets $0.60, Villain calls $0.60.

TURN; [4H, 2S, 3H, 8D]

Hero bets $1.40, Villain calls $1.40.

RIVER; [4H, 2S, 3H, 8D, 2C]

Hero bets $3.26 and is all-in, Villain calls $3.26.

Villain shows (10-10) and beats my A-high.

It seems he called out of pure instinct that i was bluffing even though we both had no info on each other.
This is the reason im a break even player - been stuck on a £120 bankroll and am up £0.30 after 2 months.
Thanks for any feedback :)
 
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Unfortunately, this is a bad bluff on your part. The way I see it is that the river card changed nothing. If your opponent was chasing anything at all this card didn't help so you have some showdown value, and if he was beating you prior to the river this card isn't scaring him much so you probably won't be able to push him out with a bet.

As for the rest of the hand, you should be 3-betting more preflop out of the blinds. I don't mind the c-bet, turn bet is meh, and the river is spewing.
 
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The title of this thread bugs me. It can be both a bad call and a bad bluff, and that's usually what happens. Bad players make bad calls quite often, and trying to bluff them is also a great way to lose money.
 
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Sizing closer to 60c on 3 bet pre, c bet is fine, turn bet bad... River is total spew
 
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Unfortunately, this is a bad bluff on your part. The way I see it is that the river card changed nothing. If your opponent was chasing anything at all this card didn't help so you have some showdown value, and if he was beating you prior to the river this card isn't scaring him much so you probably won't be able to push him out with a bet.

As for the rest of the hand, you should be 3-betting more preflop out of the blinds. I don't mind the c-bet, turn bet is meh, and the river is spewing.

I put him on 10-10, j-j which i thought that with a 3 bet and triple barrel would have to give it up since i was clearly representing q-q+ and so when he called it seemed he was only beating a bluff,, and since he had no info on me he shoudnt have just put me on a bluff and called all the way down. I would have defintiely folded to turn with his hand because im only beating a bluff and too often will i be being bet at with a higher pair than me. So i think it was a good bluff and villain made a bad long run call
 
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Sizing closer to 60c on 3 bet pre, c bet is fine, turn bet bad... River is total spew

HE SHOULD HAVE REALISED I HAD J-J+ he had no reads on me so how would he know i was bluffing?????
 
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I put him on 10-10, j-j which i thought that with a 3 bet and triple barrel would have to give it up since i was clearly representing q-q+ and so when he called it seemed he was only beating a bluff,, and since he had no info on me he shoudnt have just put me on a bluff and called all the way down. I would have defintiely folded to turn with his hand because im only beating a bluff and too often will i be being bet at with a higher pair than me. So i think it was a good bluff and villain made a bad long run call

Duuddde - it's 4NL - you're giving villain way too much credit here. Villain is most likely thinking "I have 10/10 on 8 high board" by the time the river comes and that is that extent of his thought process. You should be happy he's making this type of play for the times you actually have a set or JJ+.

Value betting, stealing blinds, taking advantage of position, making simple c-bets, etc. is how you beat the micros. 3-barrel bluffs in a 3 bet preflop pot after you've hit nothing should not be part of your arsenal at 4NL unless you are trying to lose money. I realize this is extremely boring, but it's what works.
 
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the key part of this is in your opening post.

"We had no information on each other."

Generally I assume that an unknown playing is a passive player until I am shown otherwise. Why? Because most of the players I meet at my limits are. Your folding 10s and js here might be good play, but you can't assume your opponent has the wherewithall to see it the same way. From my experience, most don't.
 
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