$4 NLHE 6-max: AK vs 4bet preflop

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

Hero (BB): $5.07
UTG: $5.81 (VPIP: 21.82, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, hands: 58)
MP: $5.00 (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
CO: $8.64 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BTN: $6.74 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 29)
SB: $4.41 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K:club: A:heart:

fold, MP raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, MP raises to $1.19, Hero ??

I read somewhere that AK is a preflop fistpump jam in 6max, but really? I see this player doing that with only KK, AA and maybe QQ.
I could call the 4bet and see the flop, but I don't like it OOP.
 
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Flipping or crushed. I wouldn't call since you're OOP as you stated. Find a better spot.
 
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I'd be leaning more towards the fold, people aren't bluffing too much. But if you suspect anything jamming isn't the worst.

Calling is pretty bad here, playing fit or fold poker on the flop oop is just burning money
 
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Well, I think even at 5nl people will do it wider than the range you gave. But of course, they won't be as wide as they would at higher stakes.

I think this is a common confusing spot for a lot of micro stakes players, so you're not alone. You obviously read or watched a video somewhere that GIAI w/ AK pre is great. And at certain stakes that is absolutely true. At 5NL here, it's going to be a much tighter range for sure, but there will be some opponents this still holds true. After 24 hands you really can't say much.

Mathematically it's pretty close as far as GIAI here after you 3-bet. If your opponent never ever folds to a shove, and only has a strong range with no AQs for example, then it's a fold. If you add any hands like AQs that they might call off 100bbs with or and bluffs that they may fold to a shove, it's profitable to shove. So again, it's opponent / situation dependent.

But bottom line OOP here I think you're better off shoving or folding. Calling your best flop is an A, and if you're calling because you think your opponents range is tight, I don't think you can assume that same kind of opponent will then stack off with KK/QQ type hands. If a K flops, you can still be behind. So it's better off in this kind of spot to shove or fold imho. W/o much info, fold is typically best.
 
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I think fold, unless you want to flip for it. Your equity is about 56/44 on this one. He has no fold equity if you shove. It's unlikely he has KK because you have a blocker with your AK or even AA. He might shove with 10, JJ or QQ. That's the range I put him on when he 4 bets. So fold or shove in this situation. I would fold, and find another spot.
 
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I would raise bit smaller pre,but as played I may consider a fold here vs 4bet.
 
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Well, I think even at 5nl people will do it wider than the range you gave. But of course, they won't be as wide as they would at higher stakes.

I think this is a common confusing spot for a lot of micro stakes players, so you're not alone. You obviously read or watched a video somewhere that GIAI w/ AK pre is great. And at certain stakes that is absolutely true. At 5NL here, it's going to be a much tighter range for sure, but there will be some opponents this still holds true. After 24 hands you really can't say much.

Mathematically it's pretty close as far as GIAI here after you 3-bet. If your opponent never ever folds to a shove, and only has a strong range with no AQs for example, then it's a fold. If you add any hands like AQs that they might call off 100bbs with or and bluffs that they may fold to a shove, it's profitable to shove. So again, it's opponent / situation dependent.

But bottom line OOP here I think you're better off shoving or folding. Calling your best flop is an A, and if you're calling because you think your opponents range is tight, I don't think you can assume that same kind of opponent will then stack off with KK/QQ type hands. If a K flops, you can still be behind. So it's better off in this kind of spot to shove or fold imho. W/o much info, fold is typically best.


Thanks for input! I agree, with only 24 hands I can't say much about villan's range, but I believe he/she was leaning more towards the passive side. I actually did the mistake of shoving. At least learned the lesson.
 
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A shove wasn't huge spew here or anything. It's close, so like you said, it's a learning lesson. :)
 
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Think thats shove or fold. Most of the time it will be AA, AK, KK. If AA is the worst case, if AK you just generate rake and if KK you hope in the A. Not a good spot you can decide. With shove you get a fold to, but if you get called that`s a not a trouble just make note about V`s hand.
 
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sometimes you just have to gamble a little:D
 
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Never, ever call OOP with AK facing a 4-bet no less. Its jam or fold, and leading toward folding.
 
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If you play agressive style then jamming has merits vs solid stats because they can 4bet more lightly than normal. If you are tight then fold.
 
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