$4 NLHE 6-max: AK on BB facing all in 4 bet from button

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I have AKos from BB in my first hand at the table. BTN opens with a min raise. SB flats. I 3 bet to 34c. BTN shoves. SB folds.

I only have $2.66 left. Pot is effectively $3.42.

I am thinking the most likely hand is AA there as I think he doesn't min raise with QQ or KK and I don't think he 4 bet shoves with anything but JJ (but more likely QQ) - AA or AK too. (assuming he's not one of the maniacs)

No read on villain. Fold?
 
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Pot odds vs. range question, pokerstove solves everything...

3.42/2.66 = 1.28:1 = 44% equity required.

43% equity against {AK, AA-22}

49% equity against {AK-AQ, AA-TT}

So essentially, you need villain to be shoving AQ or worse broadways in this spot. Since at 2NL people tend to be nitty-ish getting all in preflop, this is a pretty easy fold.

Such a great response. Well done.

I do wonder about your assumptions about an unknown 2NL player. The couple times I watched a 2NL game, the attitude I saw was mostly people just tossing what was in their mind a candy bar.
 
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Pot odds vs. range question, pokerstove solves everything...

3.42/2.66 = 1.28:1 = 44% equity required.

43% equity against {AK, AA-22}

49% equity against {AK-AQ, AA-TT}

So essentially, you need villain to be shoving AQ or worse broadways in this spot. Since at 2NL people tend to be nitty-ish getting all in preflop, this is a pretty easy fold.

You really think a random 2nl BTN min-raise/shove range is that tight? I think this being our 1st hand at the table makes the BTN more likely to shove light here. You know one of those "you can't push me around new guy" type shoves.
 
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You really think a random 2nl BTN min-raise/shove range is that tight? I think this being our 1st hand at the table makes the BTN more likely to shove light here. You know one of those "you can't push me around new guy" type shoves.
In my experience, 2NL people are much more passive. If they don't want to be pushed around, they typically just call the 3-bet here. And whenever I get 4-bet at these limits, its almost always QQ+. Course, I've only played about 2000 hands recently while I watch football games, so its not like I have a lot of experience. But yeah, in my experience, 2NL players are weak/passive about just about everything, especially getting all in preflop. Of course, there are also the supreme maniacs, but they're not as prevalent as the weak/passives.
 
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One other point here is that many players will reraise small with a big hand here but shove if they prefer a fold.
 
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In my experience, 2NL people are much more passive. If they don't want to be pushed around, they typically just call the 3-bet here. And whenever I get 4-bet at these limits, its almost always QQ+. Course, I've only played about 2000 hands recently while I watch football games, so its not like I have a lot of experience. But yeah, in my experience, 2NL players are weak/passive about just about everything, especially getting all in preflop. Of course, there are also the supreme maniacs, but they're not as prevalent as the weak/passives.

Definitely agree with c9. minraise at the micros is often a monster anyway, but in this spot its an easy fold.
 
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I don't think it's a huge mistake to ALWAYS stack JJ+/AK at this level, 6-max, readless, esp. BB vs. BTN.

however, I can see this being QQ+ often in this spot, maybe only KK+.
 
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I ended up calling right before the timer expired, which was a mistake. He had AA. I ended up sucking out with trip Ks but I was mad at myself.

Earlier today in a similar spot with AK suited on BB I ran into KQ suited. This time I felt I had a better read and felt that I was ahead because the guy was a much more aggressive type. But I lost this one.

Go figure.
 
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Don't be mad because you called and he had AA. That's the right way to go about it. His range could have been wider than that. It'd be the same thing as catching a player 4-bet shoving with AJo but has like 9/8 stats. Sure, the results are good, but that doesn't mean you made a good play based on the information that was available to you.
 
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How come you can't start a hand analysis where it says 2nl. 4nl is the lowest and it's fairly annoying lol.
 
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I ended up calling right before the timer expired, which was a mistake. He had AA. I ended up sucking out with trip Ks but I was mad at myself.

Earlier today in a similar spot with AK suited on BB I ran into KQ suited. This time I felt I had a better read and felt that I was ahead because the guy was a much more aggressive type. But I lost this one.

Go figure.

I call. I regularly see low pocket pairs (someone called my 5bet earlier with 33), AQs and sometimes AJs.

Fish at 2NL tend to overrate big aces, two picture cards, and pocket pairs.
 
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i have seen tons of crazy plays at 2nl, i would call with AK in this spot.
 
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Hmmm, I'd call, I always stack off with AK, maybe it's a leak. Especially first hand I'm likely to go with it.
 
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Don't be mad because you called and he had AA. That's NOT the right way to go about it. His range could have been wider than that. It'd be the same thing as catching a player 4-bet shoving with AJo but has like 9/8 stats. Sure, the results are good, but that doesn't mean you made a good play based on the information that was available to you.

sorry, fixed my post
 
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