$4 NLHE 6-max: 88 Call or fold river?

$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem
partypoker 6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG sashka_sunny ($5.29) 132bb
UTG+1 suhse ($5.69) 142bb
CO TacticianNick ($9.05) 226bb
BTN cosma23 ($5.06) 127bb
SB flo4poker ($2.77) 69bb
BB Hero ($4.34) 109bb

Pre-Flop: (0.06, 6 players) Hero is BB 8:spade: 8:heart:
2 folds, TacticianNick raises to $0.16, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: 5:spade: 8:club: Q:diamond: ($0.34, 2 players)
Hero checks, TacticianNick bets $0.24, Hero raises to $0.48, TacticianNick calls $0.24

Turn: A:club: ($1.30, 2)
Hero bets $0.93, TacticianNick calls $0.93

River: K:heart: ($3.16, 2)
Hero bets $2.25, TacticianNick raises to $4.50, Hero goes all-in $0.52

Final Pot: $10.43
TacticianNick shows
J:diamond: 10:heart:
Hero shows
8:spade: 8:heart:
TacticianNick wins $11.73 (net +$5.66)
Hero lost $4.34

so yeah... i am extremely frustrated with cash tables now. this keeps happening. how am i supposed to have a positive bankroll if this goes on? i don't even know how much to raise/bet anymore... because people almost always chase and hits something! this hand for example, no matter what i did would have still ended this way - me losing my entire stack.

now if you say otherwise that i should not have bet the river and just checked, then my point is if i don't attempt to extract as much value i can from hands like this then what hands do i play? and most of the time people are folding to my strong hands anyways.

i bet on the river because i expected him to have AK or AQ and call that bet.

Flop raise is way too small

Id like to see you 3bet pre because we are OOP and his range won't be likely to pay us off if we try and setmine.

Just aim to get it in after the flop. much easier if you raised pre.. And raise more on the flop! don't check.

T is a card that is statistically most often in a straight, knowing that might be handy, IDK. The villain learned some time ago what it is you are trying to learn right here, straights beat trips. The instant a straight draw looks like it may have hit, which in this case is when the K on the river landed. Don't bet. That answers your question. That would have saved you $2.75. You say that when you do get a monster everybody folds, that is what we all deal with. All you are doing is taking stabs at pots hoping to break even for 4 hours until you get that one monster where someone doesn't fold and hopefully they have a big stack. That is how we play, we don't make continuous amounts of money throughout our play, we break even hours on end until we hit hard and someone else hits a little less hard and we take their stack. The difference between a good player and a fish is the discipline to fold trips when a straight draw hits villain.

Delvuter said:

T is a card that is statistically most often in a straight, knowing that might be handy, IDK. The villain learned some time ago what it is you are trying to learn right here, straights beat trips. The instant a straight draw looks like it may have hit, which in this case is when the K on the river landed. Don't bet. That answers your question. That would have saved you $2.75. You say that when you do get a monster everybody folds, that is what we all deal with. All you are doing is taking stabs at pots hoping to break even for 4 hours until you get that one monster where someone doesn't fold and hopefully they have a big stack. That is how we play, we don't make continuous amounts of money throughout our play, we break even hours on end until we hit hard and someone else hits a little less hard and we take their stack. The difference between a good player and a fish is the discipline to fold trips when a straight draw hits villain.

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I was about to post something similar when I saw your post Delvuter. The key here is, know when to drop, your strongest hand on the flop may not be in the turn or river, simple as that. Per some advices I've received, you need to play hand by hand, stage by stage, every new card changes the whole game. And as said, you just learned that a straight will beat your trip, so be smart to read the vilain and know when to drop.

I do want to kinda revise my statement, we don't just break even over hours of play, we make very little money over hours of play. I mean like .10 cents here .15 cents there throughout and trying to never put ourselves in a position to lose more than .10 to .15 cents in any given hand. That is the diff between tourney play and cash play. In a tourney we gotta risk now and again cause the blinds are creepin' up, but in cash play that just is not the case, I would rather error in not making an extra .15 cents by not making a call than risking .15 cents again and again until I find myself going backwards. Call off our chips only when we got the stone cold nuts otherwise wait until ya do.

Against big fish like this i would 3bet shove pre.

Pre-flop is fine, but on the flop either c/c or CR bigger. Nothing else you can do after that.

I don't mind the C/R, but you need to size it better. KK, AA, AQ, and JT are all hands that are behind that will pay you off. The only worse hand you fold out is KQ.

Also, if you C/R a little larger you can just jam the turn which is the optimal play. And you can balance your jam with Jc Tc or maybe even 6c 7c depending on how you choose to play your suited connectors.

As played, I think you have a tough spot on the river. You don't really have enough behind to justify a fold. Just have to hope you are up against AQ... but you're pretty much up only up against bigger sets and JT at that point. I'd favor jamming the river rather than leading out for less. You're just charging AQ or KQ less at that point.