$4 NLHE 6-max: $4 NLHE 6-max: Made straight on river, need bet sizing help.

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My bet sizing was dum on the river, but I wanted to get the money in here and thats what happened. The question is should I have wanted to get all in?

Villain called preflop from the blinds, check called the flop on a really dry board so I put him on mostly middle pairs or a weak jack, so two pair type hands. I checked the turn thinking that if I was alread beaten then I'm still behind. My straight came in on the river and I thought I was likely best but obviously full houses are out there or even a better straight(less likely). Should I have raised smaller on the river and fold to a shove? Calling his river bet seems too conservative. Things I beat that would call my raise are two-pair hands(maybe) and trip sevens.There are lots of two pair hands in his range and maybe a couple suited connectors with a seven or A7s.

SB: $3.68
BB: $4.26
UTG: $0.84
MP: $3.05
CO Hero: $4
BTN: $3.92

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is CO and dealt :10s4: :9s4:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30) :8h4: :8d4: :jh4: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.70) :8h4: :8d4: :jh4: :10c4: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.70) :8h4: :8d4: :jh4: :10c4: :7c4: (2 players)
BB bets $0.47, Hero raises to $2.11, BB raises to $3.92 (All-in), Hero calls $1.55 (All-in)
 
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I also would have thought that JJ or 1010 would 3bet pre-flop, so should I have discounted those?

My notes say he's been winning but he's really passive over 300 hands.
His stats are 22/14 with only 2.2% 3bet (so jj or 1010 are back in his range).
Post flop Agg factor 2.1/Cbet 47/fold to cbet 42/
 
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The flop was a really dry board?

Don't take JJ or TT out of his range, just don't be too worried about them (especially TT since he has like 1 combo). 300 hands is nowhere near enough to be able to estimate 3-bet %ages from numbers alone though.



I like checking back flop and just calling river (unless you think he can overvalue top pair alot).
 
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The flop was a really dry board?

Don't take JJ or TT out of his range, just don't be too worried about them (especially TT since he has like 1 combo). 300 hands is nowhere near enough to be able to estimate 3-bet %ages from numbers alone though.



I like checking back turn and just calling river (unless you think he can overvalue top pair alot).

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Dont think you're ever good when you get reraised on that river, i dont mind just calling but i know i usually put in a very small raise to get called by some kind of stubborn TP if he's a fish.
 
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River's tough, probably just call and shove Q9/boats.
 
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Personally, I would have continued betting on the turn. You had been the aggressor from the start, and your hand improved on the turn. I understand your point, that if you were beat previously, your prob still beat on the turn. However, your play was a standard c-bet on the flop, his range could be wider than you think.

If he was slow playing a big hand on the flop, he is likely going to re-raise the turn. This will at least tell you he's got a made hand and give you more info to play with on the river, should you decide to stick around. However, your check on the turn plays right into him, regardless of the hand he has. Your check is a standard play for someone who missed the flop and isn't willing to fire a second barrel. If he is slow playing, he thinks your folding to any bet on the turn, and he cannot get any more value out of his hand by betting. He would want you to catch something on the river or try to take another stab at it.

If he doesn't have a made hand, your check gives him a shot at catching a river card. He has no reason to turn down a free card without a hand, so he will check right behind you. In either situation, a check on his end makes sense and leaves you with no more information. A turn c-bet at least narrows his range, and gives you more info on the river. Lets say he calls the turn bet and the river action plays out the same way. You can be pretty certain you are no better than a split pot.

That is a scary board, so I wouldn't mind just calling his bet on the river and winning a medium size pot, or minimizing your losses. If I had to guess, I would say he had 87s and boated on the river.
 
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Personally, I would have continued betting on the turn. You had been the aggressor from the start, and your hand improved on the turn. I understand your point, that if you were beat previously, your prob still beat on the turn. However, your play was a standard c-bet on the flop, his range could be wider than you think.

If he was slow playing a big hand on the flop, he is likely going to re-raise the turn. This will at least tell you he's got a made hand and give you more info to play with on the river, should you decide to stick around. However, your check on the turn plays right into him, regardless of the hand he has. Your check is a standard play for someone who missed the flop and isn't willing to fire a second barrel. If he is slow playing, he thinks your folding to any bet on the turn, and he cannot get any more value out of his hand by betting. He would want you to catch something on the river or try to take another stab at it.

If he doesn't have a made hand, your check gives him a shot at catching a river card. He has no reason to turn down a free card without a hand, so he will check right behind you. In either situation, a check on his end makes sense and leaves you with no more information. A turn c-bet at least narrows his range, and gives you more info on the river. Lets say he calls the turn bet and the river action plays out the same way. You can be pretty certain you are no better than a split pot.

That is a scary board, so I wouldn't mind just calling his bet on the river and winning a medium size pot, or minimizing your losses. If I had to guess, I would say he had 87s and boated on the river.
Your reasoning for raising the turn is retarded/
 
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