$4 NLHE 6-max: 2nl Oop with overpair but 200bb+ deep + paired board vs large over bet on the river

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$4 NL HE 6-max: 2nl Oop with overpair but 200bb+ deep + paired board vs large over bet on the river

I had only just sat down at here really, no reads on the villain, doubled through the hand before and was just about to leave the table when this came up, i don't like playing deep and now leave when i'm up to 200bb's with another 200bb stack at the table, on the advice of c9.

Is this just going to have to be a really uncomfortable call?? I checked the river because i didnt like the way he's just passively been calling me down on the other streets, does the fact that i checked the river make this a call i now have to make b/c it opens up so many chances for the villain to bluff?? Does the overbet mean that its more or less likely to be a bluff??

100bb's deep i have no problem stacking this villain with my overpair but when it gets into deepstack territory i really don't like to call on the end here.

poker stars, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (CO): $5.05 (252.5 bb)
BTN: $4.82 (241 bb)
SB: $1.98 (99 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
UTG: $1.17 (58.5 bb)
MP: $3.16 (158 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with K:spade: K:heart:
UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, 2 folds, MP calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.27) 3:diamond: 3:spade: 2:heart: (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.24, BTN calls $0.24, MP folds

Turn: ($0.75) T:diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

River: ($1.75) Q:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.74

Any advice would be much appreciated on this one b/c it was a really tough spot for me, cheers
 
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I love playing as deep as possible at 2nl ;) So my philosophy is different than c9's. But he is also like 14x the poker player I am.

What I do here is like 95% villain dependent. We need to know more about him.

I would likely fold most often.

At these stakes it is usual for goobers to call call call. And his bet is not overbig for a 2nl river even being over the pot size. I feel like he wants a call. But that is with the minimum of info.

The overpair is just not so strong by the river.

But what would he play? ATC? Or is he tighter? QQ and TT play through like this maybe, but he would have to be a calling station to hold QT till the end, and that's the one hand you WANT him to have.

If he is a good player, tight preflop and sensible after then its hard to know what he's doing in this hand other than playing through with QQ or TT.

If he is a weak and impulsive type then my chances of calling go way up. But the flush hits the goober calling station 1/3 of the time.

So who is he as a player?

You beat a bluff and 2 pr and that is the wrongest way to have played a 2 pr hand.

What I probably would NOT do is raise.

A little stronger pre flop might have been good... but whatever.
 
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I make a small river bet and fold to a shove. As played I fold.
 
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This is what's known as a tough spot. I bet/fold like $1.25 on the river. Sure, A5/45/A4/small pairs that turn into a bluff could fire this river, however, when in doubt at 2NL, I'd look to exploit my opponents by value betting.
 
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I'm with Capslock on the stack sizes issue, at least as far as $2NL goes. Some of my biggest wins there have been plaiyng 250+BB deep because there are players at $2NL willing to play for stacks that deep with very marginal hands.

It's all a comfort thing though, I certainly wouldn't say there's anything wrong with just banking the win and starting fresh at a new table. And there's really not a lot of point doing it (playing deep) unless there's another big stack at your table.

As for the actual hand... bleh. Trying to put the villain on a range just makes my head hurt. It's really hard to believe he didn't raise QQ (or even TT) on that flop. 22 and 33 probably slowplay the hell out of this, and something nasty that's backdoored us like A2/A4/A5 diamonds is possible I guess. But so is something like 66-88 that thinks we're double-barrelling AK or something.

IDK as played I probably call then mutter under my breath when villain rolls 22 or A2 diamonds. I don't hate folding, but I like Zach/c9's line of leading for around $1.25ish a lot more than the choices we've got now.
 
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Oh yes... my advice to fold was from the "as played - what next" standpoint.

Betting the river even 1/2 pot is clearly a good play. Then you eliminate much of this doubt.
 
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Pretty much what every one else is saying. Bet the river. If you're reraised then you can feel a lot better about folding.
 
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