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I didn't blame the guys for calling my all-in based on how this hand went down but I'm curious if I overvalued TPTK here...

I'm in middle position, don't have a solid read on either player in this hand. I will say this though...his hole cards were not in my range I put him on.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CRStals [Ts As]
CRStals: calls $0.05
Artishell: raises $0.15 to $0.20
dolek2: calls $0.20
CRStals: calls $0.15
*** FLOP *** [3d Tc 3h]
CRStals: checks
Artishell: bets $0.48
dolek2: folds
CRStals: calls $0.48
*** TURN *** [3d Tc 3h] [2d]
CRStals: checks
Artishell: bets $1.02
CRStals: raises $2.52 to $3.54 and is all-in
Artishell: calls $2.52
*** RIVER *** [3d Tc 3h] [2d] [Kd]

It was one of those hands that I told myself this is the type of player I want to play against more often. I was shocked when i saw his hole cards...not shocked I lost (one of those nights) but i guess sometimes when you raise with 45d and continue through on the flop sometimes it pays off.
 
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If i seing things right pot was limped and you completed at sb, right? Either fold or isolate there... If bb 3bets fold.
As played dont check raise turn, i would most likely fold
 
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I was middle position...not SB. Serves me right not to raise I know...

He was not in the blind though so I don't know if that matters. I didn't have him on a pocket pair, so I'm curious what the thought process is not to find out where you are on the turn. The 2d is pretty meaningless (in most hands) but no draw was completed with it, so I can't make a case to fold on the turn. Perhaps that's stubborness on my part but I think if this hand plays out 100 times, I never fold on that turn.

Other opinions on that?
 
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I understand his reasoning perfectly. I don't understand your reasoning though...

His reasoning was:

Preflop: you limped in preflop from MP, which means you're probably a weak, passive fish and he wants to isolate you by raising and taking the betting initiative. He has a suited connector (a speculative hand), which plays very well against fishy calling stations that tend to stack off with top pair 100% of the time. In other words, he has good implied odds to play a hand like 43dd.

Flop: This is a perfect flop to Cbet because most of your range is going to miss this flop, so there is a lot of fold equity for his bluff.

Turn: He now picks up a combo draw (OESD + flush draw), so it makes perfect sense to barrel here and try to get you to fold hands like 44-99 and maybe even some weak Tx hands. Once he gets raised on the turn, he only needs 30% equity to make a break-even call. Given that his combo draw has more than 30% equity against a hand like QQ, it makes sense for him to call it off here.

I think that the villain played perfectly.
 
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Yea, my mistake on not reading the thread title, i asumed that its 10nl. So you cc ATs against utg which is fine then late position sqz which is rarely a bluff at micros, i would be tempted to also call 3b cuz utg called too, flop call is ok turn is still check fold imo, so it didnt changed much iny opinion
 
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I understand his reasoning perfectly. I don't understand your reasoning though...

His reasoning was:

Preflop: you limped in preflop from MP, which means you're probably a weak, passive fish and he wants to isolate you by raising and taking the betting initiative. He has a suited connector (a speculative hand), which plays very well against fishy calling stations that tend to stack off with top pair 100% of the time. In other words, he has good implied odds to play a hand like 43dd.

Flop: This is a perfect flop to Cbet because most of your range is going to miss this flop, so there is a lot of fold equity for his bluff.

Turn: He now picks up a combo draw (OESD + flush draw), so it makes perfect sense to barrel here and try to get you to fold hands like 44-99 and maybe even some weak Tx hands. Once he gets raised on the turn, he only needs 30% equity to make a break-even call. Given that his combo draw has more than 30% equity against a hand like QQ, it makes sense for him to call it off here.

I think that the villain played perfectly.

Hi Matt,

Thanks for pointing out how I played the hand wrong. You could of been slightly more constructive in your criticism but point taken at the end of the day.
 
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Hi Matt,

Thanks for pointing out how I played the hand wrong. You could of been slightly more constructive in your criticism but point taken at the end of the day.
He was just fine.

The key takeaway here is that you're a fish at the moment. However much you've won or lost, you're not good. Stop playing for money, do some reading, and generally improve your game before you start venturing back in. Limping UTG is cardinal poker sin.
 
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Sorry if I came across as too harsh, I just don't want to give you unrealistic expectations. I'd rather call you a passive fish now and tell you that there are a lot of flaws in your game that you need to work on, than pretend that you're a solid player and watch you lose money online.

If we were playing on the same table, I'd be much nicer to you. I'd tell you that you're a good player and I'd say "bad luck" whenever you lose a hand. I'd encourage you to stay at the table for as long as possible and I'd do it out of selfishness (trying to take your money). But when you're asking for advice in a poker forum, I have no need to bullshit you like that. I'd rather just be honest with you and point out all of the flaws in your game, as well as explain the reasoning of others players to you so that you can learn from it.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. You gotta be cruel to be kind.
 
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OP try to post all pertinent information for the hand. It looks like you only posted part of the information which makes the hand difficult to read.

Great post Matthew.
 
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Sorry if I came across as too harsh, I just don't want to give you unrealistic expectations. I'd rather call you a passive fish now and tell you that there are a lot of flaws in your game that you need to work on, than pretend that you're a solid player and watch you lose money online.

If we were playing on the same table, I'd be much nicer to you. I'd tell you that you're a good player and I'd say "bad luck" whenever you lose a hand. I'd encourage you to stay at the table for as long as possible and I'd do it out of selfishness (trying to take your money). But when you're asking for advice in a poker forum, I have no need to bullshit you like that. I'd rather just be honest with you and point out all of the flaws in your game, as well as explain the reasoning of others players to you so that you can learn from it.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. You gotta be cruel to be kind.

I want the constructive criticism, don't get me wrong - that's why I post the hand history. While I've been playing 8 years, I haven't done it seriously until January of this year so I'm still getting my bearings back.

Poker isn't for the weak of heart, and i did take your original post too personally at first. You offered honest comment and I took liberty at that. Definitely shouldn't of and I'm sorry if I responded too harshly to you. I should be more thankful for the feedback and not shooting it down.

On a side note I've played much more aggressively lately and i feel it's starting to pay off. My balance is up, not down and I'm having more + sessions on PS, including my first cash in PLO this week, the $4.40 Omania on Thursday.

So....thanks for being honest.
 
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