2NL FR Flopped Nut Straight Line check

Steveg1976

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Villian is 71/24/1.2 but only over 17 hands, I am 26/10/1.8 over the same

All thoughts are welcome.

I almost never slow play, I bet out 99% of the time, I slow played on the flop here because I have the deck crushed at this point, at least I think so.

poker stars, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP2: $2.94 (147 bb)
MP3: $1.26 (63 bb)
CO: $5.39 (269.5 bb)
BTN: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
SB: $0.98 (49 bb)
Hero (BB): $6.24 (312 bb)
MP1: $3.74 (187 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 6
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5
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MP1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.07) 8
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7
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4
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(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.04, CO calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

Turn: ($0.19) K
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Hero bets $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, CO folds

River: ($0.69) K
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, MP1 raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $4.94, MP1 calls $0.93 and is all-in
 
c9h13no3

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You do not have the deck crushed, tell me why.

PS - My dick-ish response is because you're actually good enough to know why.
 
Steveg1976

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I have the deck crushed at this point, at least I think so.

I remember thinking this at the time of the hand so I am glad that I included it.

You do not have the deck crushed, tell me why.

PS - My dick-ish response is because you're actually good enough to know why.

To your point, any 9 makes a higher staight very likely as does any J. In the event of two pair, specifically 7/8, another 7 or 8 makes a full house. So I clearly wasn't as far ahead in this spot as I thought I was here.

Edit: I thought sets highly unlikely the way the flop action went down.
 
c9h13no3

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So I clearly wasn't as far ahead in this spot as I thought I was here.
Well the issue isn't how far ahead you are. I'm sure you have the lion's share of equity in the pot (you have the nuts!).

But having the deck crippled does not mean that you're very far ahead. It means that there's almost nothing for your opponents to call with. For example, if the board comes A22 in a 3-bet pot, and you have AA, what are your opponents going to call with? There's only 1 ace left in the deck, and no one has a 2 in a 3-bet pot unless they're special. So the issue isn't that your opponents are drawing thin against you, its that they can't hardly have anything on the board to call your bets with!

However, the board in this hand is very very different. Its super co-ordinated, tons of hands have pair + draw combinations, its setville USA, and even hands like AK will peel this flop & hope they can make a bigger pair on the turn. As you can see, there are two opponents who are willing to put money in the pot. So bet/raise/get all in! Remember, this is 2$ NL, and they love to call. Give them a chance to make their favorite mistake.

You never know, they could do this (this happened tonight, recently):

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($38.10)
SB ($50.05)
Hero (BB) ($145.35)
UTG ($110.46)
Villain (MP) ($41.45)
CO ($26.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♠ K
1 fold, Villain calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises $2.50, Villain calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.75) 6J10(2 players)
Hero bets $5.75, Villain calls $5.75

Turn: ($18.25) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $13.25, Villain calls $13.25

River: ($44.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Villain calls $19.45 (All-In)

Total pot: $83.65

Results:
Hero had K♠ K (one pair, Kings).
Villain had AK (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $80.70
 
Steveg1976

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Well the issue isn't how far ahead you are. I'm sure you have the lion's share of equity in the pot (you have the nuts!).

But having the deck crippled does not mean that you're very far ahead. It means that there's almost nothing for your opponents to call with. For example, if the board comes A22 in a 3-bet pot, and you have AA, what are your opponents going to call with? There's only 1 ace left in the deck, and no one has a 2 in a 3-bet pot unless they're special.

However, this board is very very different. Its super co-ordinated, tons of hands have pair + draw combinations, its setville USA, and even hands like AK will peel this flop & hope they can make a bigger pair on the turn. As you can see, there are two opponents who are willing to put money in the pot. So bet/raise/get all in! Remember, this is 2$ NL, and the love to call. Give them a chance to make their favorite mistake.

You never know, they could do this (this happened tonight, recently):

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($38.10)
SB ($50.05)
Hero (BB) ($145.35)
UTG ($110.46)
Villain (MP) ($41.45)
CO ($26.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♠ K
1 fold, Villain calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises $2.50, Villain calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.75) 6J10(2 players)
Hero bets $5.75, Villain calls $5.75

Turn: ($18.25) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $13.25, Villain calls $13.25

River: ($44.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Villain calls $19.45 (All-In)

Total pot: $83.65

Results:
Hero had K♠ K (one pair, Kings).
Villain had AK (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $80.70

Ninja Brag imo ;)
 
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Bump...Any thoughts on the hand other than my misuse of the term crushed as pointed out by C9?
 
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Bump...Any thoughts on the hand other than my misuse of the term crushed as pointed out by C9?

Raise flop. Slow-playing is a sin. Makes baby Jesus cry and that kind of things.

River cards sucks as you don't have the nuts anymore. Yet playing for stacks seems fine as 2nl villains will most certainly stack with trips here, and there are more trips than boats combination wise. Not sure the river 3bet is good, but it's marginal anyway.
 
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River cards sucks as you don't have the nuts anymore. Yet playing for stacks seems fine as 2nl villains will most certainly stack with trips here, and there are more trips than boats combination wise. Not sure the river 3bet is good, but it's marginal anyway.

This is exactly what I was thinking when the river card fell, and the 3 bet was only for an additional .98, I figured I would be called by trip Kings here often enough to off set the times the villian turns over a full house.

As it is, Villian had K7 for the full house. My main concern was if I was stacking to lightly on the river. at the time I thought I could count on villian overplaying trips often enough to make it profitable.
 
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As it is, Villian had K7 for the full house. My main concern was if I was stacking to lightly on the river.

it really should not be your main concern. It's easy to fall into the trap of overanalysing your big hands where you play for stacks, which in most cases people's biggest leaks are in improper bet sizing on earlier streets
 
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*Walk in late.

You really shouldnt be slowplaying this flop imo,your 300BB deep and if you whant to play for stacks you have to pot every street and hope for a raise some where, you might have the nuts now but there are alot of scare cards for u and vilians that can hit the turn.
So my advice is either bet the flop or atleast C/R.
 
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Thank you C9 you hit it on the screws. There are 2 times to play a trappy style in these micro limits. they are....Never and ever. You will almost always get a call esp with a flop like this. you will be broke quick if you try to trap at this level!!!!!!!! a retarded monkey can win money at this level if he does 3 simple things. No limping always raise if you enter a pot.No Trapping! Guys will trap themselves and you want to bet for value. Dont chase or enter a pot with rags there is a time and place for that...Its not here and now. GL
 
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id probably start getting a lot in on the flop because you wanna win a huge pot with the nuts
 
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Slowplaying straights is almost always a bad idea. Slowplaying sets on a dry board is sometimes OK but not straights. Why? Because you can't improve; half the deck or more can come to ruin your action and/or beat you. Push it when you're ahead.
 
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