$25NL: What size flop and turn raise?

NineLions

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What size do you make you flop and turn raises?


I think mine are small here, a result of playing a lot of short stack previously where you just shove flop.


Plus, do you value bet the river here?




poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $31.80 (127.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $24.85 (99.4 bb)
SB: $23.70 (94.8 bb)
BB: $31.05 (124.2 bb)
UTG: $20.45 (81.8 bb)
UTG+1: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
MP1: $25.60 (102.4 bb)
MP2: $69.35 (277.4 bb)
MP3: $28.70 (114.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 9
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A
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MP3 posts BB and a dead SB,
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 checks, CO folds,
Hero raises to $1.25
, SB folds, BB folds,
MP3 calls $1

Flop: ($2.95) 5
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9
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A
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(2 players)
MP3 bets $2.25, Hero raises to $5.50, MP3 calls $3.25

Turn: ($13.95) 5
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(2 players)
MP3 bets $3.50, Hero raises to $9, MP3 calls $5.50

River: ($31.95) 6
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(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero
 
drewbabez

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I think you played it absolutely right. Great flop for you, you've got the poster crushed, and he doesn't seem like he wants to fold his ace crap kicker. You want to raise it up to 6 on the flop, if he bets out on the turn $3.50 I think you make it $10 or $11 to go, and check the river where the flush draw kills the action.
 
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well, on the flop, pot sized raise would be $9.7, so i'd bump it at least to $8. On turn, pot sized raise would be a shove. You're not supposed to have a river decision here, tbh.

if you have trouble sizing your bets, you should use AHK scripts.
 
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I'd check the river as well. There's a good chance he's doing this with an Ace, and one of the two unaccounted for Aces carries nut flush possibilities. He's opened every hand, merely calling your re-raises.

If he hits that flush, he knows that you've been betting ever street so this is a perfect time to check/raise you to get more money in. I'd just check to deny him that opportunity.
 
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well, on the flop, pot sized raise would be $9.7, so i'd bump it at least to $8. On turn, pot sized raise would be a shove. You're not supposed to have a river decision here, tbh.

if you have trouble sizing your bets, you should use AHK scripts.

What Mr. Belgo said.

Stop minraising!
 
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I'd check the river as well. There's a good chance he's doing this with an Ace, and one of the two unaccounted for Aces carries nut flush possibilities. He's opened every hand, merely calling your re-raises.

If he hits that flush, he knows that you've been betting ever street so this is a perfect time to check/raise you to get more money in. I'd just check to deny him that opportunity.

You're losing value by not betting this river (as Belgo said you should have been all-in on the turn). There is actually little chance that your villain has a flush here. If he did he's an idiot for checking the river. This is an Ace enough that you just have to get all your chips in. In fact I'd say you're beat by a five more often than a flush here since he posted OOP and then called when you raised his range is basically ATC.
 
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I get the $ in by the turn, and as played I still ship the river.
 
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well, on the flop, pot sized raise would be $9.7, so i'd bump it at least to $8. On turn, pot sized raise would be a shove. You're not supposed to have a river decision here, tbh.

if you have trouble sizing your bets, you should use AHK scripts.

Thanks, and everyone that agreed with Belgo.

I'm not used to someone helping me get my stack in by betting into me. Makes it too easy so I pulled back.

I got scared off by the flush for the reasons WV mentioned and checked. Villain had ATo, probably the hand that makes the most sense in retrospect.
 
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Thanks, and everyone that agreed with Belgo.

I'm not used to someone helping me get my stack in by betting into me. Makes it too easy so I pulled back.

I got scared off by the flush for the reasons WV mentioned and checked. Villain had ATo, probably the hand that makes the most sense in retrospect.

This is the exact type of hand you're losing value from by not getting everything in here. He has to call with any Ace when you bet your final ~$9 on this river into a $30 pot. You just cost yourself 36 BBs and hands like this can have a huge effect on your winrate. If he had shoved this river would you have folded???
 
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This is the exact type of hand you're losing value from by not getting everything in here. He has to call with any Ace when you bet your final ~$9 on this river into a $30 pot. You just cost yourself 36 BBs and hands like this can have a huge effect on your winrate. If he had shoved this river would you have folded???

Nope. I've been paid off with one pair with river shoves on boards like this on this level too often.

I know what you're saying though, if she (I think this was a she) has the flush 22.61% of the time and I'm willing to call a river donk/shove, then why not bet? I dunno. Willing to take a smaller win rate to lose less 22.61% less often? I'm just guessing here.
 
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Just out of curiosity, are you playing above your bankroll limit? Because your hesitation to push the turn screams that you are afraid to lose your buyin. And that you are playing scared.
 
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Nope, bankroll's not an issue at this level. Maybe something going on though. Bad beats, playing at too many different levels, or more likely part of the shift having played mostly short stacked for the past months.
 
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