$25NL: KK fr SB

K' I'm actually finding some time to play some poker.

CO just sat down, bought in out of turn so no reads, and presumably none on me either.

Comments on actions all the way down?


poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP1: $8.05 (32.2 bb)
MP2: $20.60 (82.4 bb)
MP3: $32.60 (130.4 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)
BTN: $14.20 (56.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $33.75 (135 bb)
BB: $14.75 (59 bb)
UTG+1: $24.60 (98.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K♠ K♦
CO posts BB out of position, 4 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB folds, CO calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.25) K♥ 6♣ 4♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: ($10.75) 8♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($10.75) 5♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises to $19.75 and is all-in, Hero ????

You played this hand about as badly as possible imo (unless your intent was to win the minimum possible or allow your opponent to outdraw you). You have to call. If he shows up with some random 7 just think of it as a reminder to never slowplay trips for 2 streets in the future. The only aggressive move you make in this entire hand is a raise of less the 30% of the pot? Honestly you're likely still way ahead but the way you played the hand you certainly won't know that until you call.

Yeah, it wasn't my intent to slow play so far. The flop was so dry and I figured I was so far ahead that I planned to bet the turn. When he bet the flop I was going to checkraise the turn but he didn't cooperate.

I don't play these stakes but will take a shot.

Bet the Flop, either he has enough to call or not. Pray he has the AK and is willing to go broke. With out reads, you on him or him on you, it would seem you should just make the simplest play to make money and that is to bet with the best hand.

If I am wrong I would love he know why.

Also: The check raise idea on the turn is ugly IMO, he knows you check called, if he has a draw he will just check behind and if has AK he might be smart enough to not want to bet it for 3 streets without reads just seems -ev to me.

I don't mind checking the flop to an aggressive opponent, but I'd probably either raise the flop or donk the turn.

As played, we CALLLLLLL.

I actually dont mind the PF and flop actions.

The turn is iffy and I probably wouldn't give him the chance to take a free card.

I'm betting about 3/4 pot here, it'll also make the decision on the river much easier if we get there.
I'm calling, no way I'm folding to this overbet. I'd think we see other hands often enough to justify us not worrying about a 7. Especially w/ no reads.

Thanks guys, I should post the results.

I couldn't figure out what someone sits down, buys in out of turn, raises and then calls a 3 bet with that hits that flop so I called.

Apparently 87s does that.


But you guys helped me remember what a big gap there is between his flop bet and my river bet. Because I'm out of position, if he doesn't bet the turn then I've let him see all three cards for the price of one flop bet. Something I've forgotten over the period of not playing much.

As a general rule (and unless and untill I see someone do something to prove otherwise) someone who sits down, posts out of turn and raises his very first hand..is going to be a very bad and usually very loose player.
I have no problem putting a lot of faith into this.

You are probably not getting rid of this guy period (omg he flopped an (inside) straight draw) but as said you really gotta play it more aggressively earlier. Not terribly surprised to see the 78.

As C9 said, I don't mind checking this flop at all, but I do stronly mind not either raising him on flop or betting into him on turn.


Chalk this up to "don't let the donkey draw for cheap" and move on. As played you have to call the river. You will see lots of random crap here that you do beat often enough (any king, 2 pair, sets, etc...)

Tygran said:

You are probably not getting rid of this guy period (omg he flopped an (inside) straight draw) but as said you really gotta play it more aggressively earlier. Not terribly surprised to see the 78.

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Given the cards that came I think only a flop bet, or maybe a big checkraise would have had the only chance to not lose. Maybe he folds the gutshot, maybe not even if I shoved. But once he sees pairs the turn he's probably not folding. But if I'd been aggressive early then at least I would have gotten my chips in while ahead instead of behind.

Ah well, he left the table right afterwards, to protect his chips.

3bet a bit more when you're out of position.

Don't slowplay your sets. Ever