25NL FR open ended straight flush draw facing lots of action

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phatjose

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Stacks:
* BTN with $14.65
* SB with $8.85
* BB with $10.15
* UTG with $24.75
* UTG+1 with $25.00
* MP1 with $30.80
* MP2 with $24.75
* MP3 with $3.70
* CO with $41.90

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
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* * Dealt to MP2:4♥ 5♥
* * Sklansky group 6
Preflop:
* * UTG calls [$0.25]
* * 2 players fold.
* * Hero calls [$0.25]
* * 1 players fold.
* * CO raises $0.75 to $1
* * BTN calls [$1]
* * 1 players fold.
* * BB calls [$0.75]
* * UTG calls [$0.75]
* * Hero calls [$0.75]
* * Total folds this street: 4
* * Potsize: $5.1
Flop:
* * 6♥ 3♥ 9♠
* * BB: checks
* * UTG: checks
* * Hero: checks
* * CO bets [$2]
* * BTN raises $5 to $7
* * BB raises $2.15 to $9.15 [ all-in ]
* * Hero: ???????? <---- Hero is perplexed and was not expecting this much action
* * 1 players folded.
* * Total folds this street: 1

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Ok so the limp call wasn't the greatest preflop, but I was getting good odds to call the raise.

CO is 62/3/1 through 130 hands or so.
BB is 13/6/1.2 but only have 30 hands.
BTN is 36/9/4.5 through 50 hands.

I was expecting CO to bet and then was going to check raise him, but clearly that plan didn't work out so hot. Do I flat this and hope to draw out or just get it in here? I have to figure that it's very likely I'm up against a set and/or better flush draw. Or is folding an option?
 
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Any time you have a SFD, you can pretty much ship it in on the flop profitably (with some mild exceptions, of course!).
 
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I would shove here. The only single hand that crushes you is 8h7h, against anything else you have decent equity given the amount of dead money likely to be in the pot.

Also, CO made a small cbet and likely goes away. BTN could have been making a play given all the checks and the tiny cbet. BB is short stack so he could easily be stacking with top pair. So all of them may not even have that much of a hand in the first place. And even if you end up 3way against 99 and AhKh, you'd still have about 26% equity which would be somewhat -EV, but not a disaster.
 
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Preflop is fine.

When you flop a strong draw in a multi-way pot like this, the line you should take is heavily influenced by your relative position to the pre-flop aggressor. In this hand, since he acts immediately after you , I think you should lead out. If he has a big hand, he will hopefully raise. You can then see everyone else's reaction to TWO bets, which will give you a lot of information. Ideally, everyone else will fold, and you can 3-bet shove all-in.
 
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Preflop is fine.

When you flop a strong draw in a multi-way pot like this, the line you should take is heavily influenced by your relative position to the pre-flop aggressor. In this hand, since he acts immediately after you , I think you should lead out. If he has a big hand, he will hopefully raise. You can then see everyone else's reaction to TWO bets, which will give you a lot of information. Ideally, everyone else will fold, and you can 3-bet shove all-in.
Um, what? Why do you want the preflop raiser to raise and shut everyone out of the pot? Checking here is GOOD... we just didn't expect this much action... But ideally, you can get the preflop raiser to c-bet, 1-2 player to call, and then shove over all that dead money.

If the preflop raiser raises our donk-lead, and other players call, that's not dead money, and you're likely up against a hand that still has significant equity in the pot.
 
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That makes sense, c9h13no3. I had learned the reason to take the b/3b line was to drive out higher flush draws. If you check and the pfr bets, the button or blinds could call with a higher flush draw, then if you shove over that and the pfr calls, the flush draw could now call the all-in as well. With the b/3b line, the bloated pot from the pf raise and all the callers, in addition to your draw equity plus fold equity, made getting the hand heads up (or winning it right now) worth it.

I'm not saying I'm right, just what I'd learned previously. Like I said, your line makes sense as well. I'm just a micro-stakes player, I'm here on the forums 'cause I want to learn the best line possible.
 
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If you check and the pfr bets, the button or blinds could call with a higher flush draw
Yeah, I think that logic's a little flawed, especially at microstakes, because:

1) An ace high flush draw probably isn't folding for any price.
2) The money you earn from other hands that aren't flush draws (pairs, ect.) should outweigh the times when you lose 7 outs in equity.

Whenever I'm in a multi-way pot with a mega-strong draw, my goals are the following:

1) Get the money in on the flop while my equity is highest.
2) Bloat the pot as large as possible.

Its probably more of a limit concept, that when you have a strong draw, you want a large multi-way pot. But especially at microstakes, where our fold equity is minimal & our implied odds are large, I think we should take the same approach.
 
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