[25nl FR] nutflush&straightdraw+overs

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BB: 18/1/1 UTG+1: 76/2/1

party poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
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MP3: $5 (20 bb)
CO: $6.46 (25.8 bb)
BTN: $35.97 (143.9 bb)
SB: $39.44 (157.8 bb)
BB: $22.35 (89.4 bb)
UTG+1: $7.91 (31.6 bb)
UTG+2: $45.96 (183.8 bb)
MP1: $23.90 (95.6 bb)
Hero (MP2): $25 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with A
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Q
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UTG+1 calls $0.25, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, 4 folds, BB calls $1.25, UTG+1 calls $1.25, MP1 folds

Flop: ($4.85) 9
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8
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J
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(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2.90, BB calls $2.90, UTG+1 calls $2.90

Turn: ($13.55) T
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(3 players)
BB bets $17.95 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $3.51 and is all-in, Hero ?????

Ideas to what hands they have ? Let it go ? How about my flop play ?
 
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Easy fold. He obviously has K/Q, the one hand that beats you and you're only hitting the spade one out of five times.

Or else, the Q might come on the river, and you'd split (losing money to the rake). So fold now.
 
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I don't know about you, but I'm calling this hand all day.
first we have many outs to the nuts, any king in the deck, plus any spade. As it stands we hold the 2nd nuts with multiple outs.

No fold here, call
 
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SavagePenguin said:
Easy fold. He obviously has K/Q, the one hand that beats you and you're only hitting the spade one out of five times.

Or else, the Q might come on the river, and you'd split (losing money to the rake). So fold now.
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Or we could be freerolling any queen other than KQ....

I'm never folding.
 
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But the range I put him on is only K/Q. The other guy probably has a flush draw.

So fold!
 
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If he HAPPENS to have KQ, not only do you have the flush draw but also any other K gives you a higher straight. There are a bunch of other hands he could hold, plus, as c9 said, we are freerolling against another Q.

Please don't ever fold this.
 
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How can he not have K/Q here?

I mentioned the King being a possible out. But then it's a kiss-your-sister tie. Hmmm.... maybe a three-way tie! That'd be like kissing two sisters. And that's just too kinky so you have to fold.

The only thing I'm probably wrong about is the other guy's flush draw, as he's just as likely to have Q/x.

If you were as good at the pokers as me you'd see this was an easy fold.

(Or maybe I'm just assuming the shoving is so obvious that this would only be posted if someone had K/Q)
 
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The outcome doesn't have anything to do with me posting this. I'm asking about the decision at hand.

I'd like to hear more fold vs call arguments..

Also what about flop play ?
 
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eNTy said:
I'd like to hear more fold vs call arguments..

Also what about flop play ?
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At this point never ever ever fold unless you can see his cards. He could have two pair or a flush draw or TPTK or a ton of other stuff that you have beat.

The pre-flop bet is fine. I'd bet the flop with the nut flush draw. Then when that card hits, you're golden.

Of course, I play 6-max, which means the other guy tends to shove with less. But really, if you only fear *one* hand, I don't see how you can fold.
 
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not sure why overs are mentioned in the title considering they're irrelevant. you do realize you have the 2nd nut straight, right? call really fast! you're freerolling here super often and there's always the chance that BB is being retarded with a 7 or two pair. in actuality i guess he had KQ or i can't even imagine why you're posting this. but even that is not a good reason! you know you're never folding here

and flop is for sure a c-bet looking to get the $ in with your very big draw. the hand plays itself for the most part
 
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SavagePenguin said:
How can he not have K/Q here?

I mentioned the King being a possible out. But then it's a kiss-your-sister tie. Hmmm.... maybe a three-way tie! That'd be like kissing two sisters. And that's just too kinky so you have to fold.



How come you state the king would make it a tie? Maybe I'm wrong in this but, If the king came on the river, would'nt we still hold the nutstraight to the Ace? Maybe I'm misreading your statement:confused:
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You have to call, too money in the pot, too likely his just has a Q and 12 outs if he does have KQ. You got to call even if know they will have KQ a lot of time they won't have often enough to make it a good lay down.
 
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Yeah I know I had the second nut straight.
Guess I'm just being results orientated again, thought maybe I could've layed it down and you guys could show me why.

Obviously BB had KQ and UTG+1 had Qh3h.
 
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well what makes it not even a question is also the fact that even if the guy has KQ every single time, you're not all that far from the correct odds to draw to a spade or K. anything short of BB actually exposing KQ and it's not even close. clearly he could do the same with any other Q and then you're freerolling. UL
 
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naruto_miu said:
How come you state the king would make it a tie? Maybe I'm wrong in this but, If the king came on the river, would'nt we still hold the nutstraight to the Ace? Maybe I'm misreading your statement:confused:
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I was too busy trying to come up with lame reasons not to call to see that a K would give us Broadway.

Grab the syrup, cuz the waffles are done!
 
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Even knowing the results I am still calling this almost all the time. You currently have the 2nd best straight and are drawing to the nut flush + a lesser likely K to give you the Broadway straight.
 
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I'm calling this, are you kidding? Pot's too big and we are freerolling too often to fold. Strong hand (2nd nuts qualifies) + at least 12 outs to the nuts + big pot = CALL!
 
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Ok, it's a call, thanks guys.

and SP, Liege Waffles are the nuts.
'Thomas Jefferson brought a waffle iron from france, and waffle frolics or parties became popular in the late eighteenth century.' This just sounds like my Friday night...
 
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eNTy said:
Ok, it's a call, thanks guys.

and SP, Liege Waffles are the nuts.
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I guess I'm a little late, but I'm not folding this hand. The KQ is the only hand that beats you here...and for some reason I find the shove really strange on his part. Anyway, yea..2nd nuts, plus the redraw..call.
 
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