25NL FR:KK w/multiple callers

NineLions

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Part of the reason that I sat at this table was to see how the big stack played, but I haven't seen much. He's 33/11/3.5 and folds lots to c-bets, but I haven't seen any good plays or bad plays. Mind you I was playing 5 tables and didn't see how he lost about 1/2 a buyin since I sat down; he started with about 250BBs.

I've doubled up a short stack, rebought, lost a bit more.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (BTN): $20 (80 bb)
SB: $12.55 (50.2 bb)
BB: $22.95 (91.8 bb)
UTG+1: $25 (100 bb)
MP1: $5.70 (22.8 bb)
MP2: $33.05 (132.2 bb)
MP3: $48.70 (194.8 bb)
CO: $19.55 (78.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K K
UTG+1 raises to $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $2.25, SB calls $2.15, 3 folds, MP3 calls $1.75

Flop: ($8) T 6 7 (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 bets $1.75, Hero raises to $5.50, SB folds, MP3 calls $3.75

Turn: ($19) 9 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero ??


I think that one of the problems is that I have no idea what calls my 3bet from the SB, and what calls that call after calling minraises. Then what mini-donks the flop and calls my reraise.
 
ChuckTs

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You should be squeezing a lot bigger preflop. I'm probably bumping it to $3-4 or so. Flop raise could be a lot bigger too, as played make it like $10.

As played on the tun we basically have to shut down and try to get to showdown. A good chunk of the hands that plays this way either have you beat already, or improved to a straight/two pair on the turn.

Lots of hands like 9Ts,8Ts,78,67,89,etc etc are playing this way pf. There are still a lot of Tx and other single pair hands that we do beat though, so I'm checking behind and usually calling any non >1/2 pot bet on the river barring a really bad card that pairs the board or something.
 
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Agree with chuck. bet sizing is wrong all along.

Preflop, betting pot means $2.85. bump it to $3 at least.

On flop, raising pot means $13.25. It's a scary board you want to play fast for sure, so you should not go a lot below that. Chuck's $10 seems fine.

With proper bet sizing, you would not have a tough turn decision. As played, check and pray he does not shove river.
 
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GunslingerZ

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Everything Chuck and Belgo said is great.

Starting with only 80BBs, and creating such a big pot pre-flop, you should easily commit on this flop. Your SPR (stack-to-pot ratio) on the flop is only 2.2, which is great for your overpair. Definitely raise more on the flop to set up a turn push.

Even as played, OP only has $12.25 left in a $19 pot. Try to get to showdown cheaply, but it would be hard for me to fold to a shove on a non-scary river card.
 
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With regards to bet sizing, both preflop and on the flop, I think that I'm coming to the awareness that I'm intentionally undersizing slightly, not for fear of committing that money, but because I'm looking for someone to consider calling. A bit of a death-wish, perhaps. Or a nasty superiority complex with regard to the players that I'm playing. :( Or a desire to create difficult situations.


At any rate, point taken.



poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (BTN): $20 (80 bb)
SB: $12.55 (50.2 bb)
BB: $22.95 (91.8 bb)
UTG+1: $25 (100 bb)
MP1: $5.70 (22.8 bb)
MP2: $33.05 (132.2 bb)
MP3: $48.70 (194.8 bb)
CO: $19.55 (78.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K
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K
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UTG+1 raises to $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $2.25, SB calls $2.15, 3 folds, MP3 calls $1.75

Flop: ($8) T
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6
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7
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(3 players)
SB checks, MP3 bets $1.75, Hero raises to $5.50, SB folds, MP3 calls $3.75

Turn: ($19) 9
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(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks

River: ($19) 4
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(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $5


By the time we get to the river I don't think he expects me to bet so I don't think that this is a setup for a checkraise. So I put in a bet that I think he might call. Again, undersized as I'm hoping he can't fold to this size. :eek:
 
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I think you played it fine and frankly the board isn't that scary until the turn.
 
ChuckTs

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Well it's not a superiority 'complex' if you're better than them at poker. That's just being realistic. You shouldn't really be playing on tables where you don't think you're the best player anyways. Either way it doesn't matter, your bets should be bigger anyways :)

I like the river bet, but sometimes he's pot controlling the two pair hands.
 
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BelgoSuisse

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With regards to bet sizing, both preflop and on the flop, I think that I'm coming to the awareness that I'm intentionally undersizing slightly, not for fear of committing that money, but because I'm looking for someone to consider calling.

You don't merely want people to call. You actually want them to call with bad odds. And the only way to get there is to offer them bad odds. Then it's really up to them to make a mistake. But if you don't offer the bad odds, they don't even have the opportunity to make a bad call.
 
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