25NL FR KK overpair vs flop raise

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CO is 15/11/2.8(55%) 102 hands

Does my line seem ok here, other than maybe a slightly bigger flop bet?

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HAND #1
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party poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (MP3): $27.10 (108.4 bb)
CO: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
BTN: $32.90 (131.6 bb)
SB: $42.60 (170.4 bb)
BB: $10.85 (43.4 bb)
UTG+2: $46.80 (187.2 bb)
MP1: $24.85 (99.4 bb)
MP2: $28 (112 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with K:heart: K:diamond:
MP1 posts BB out of position, UTG+2 folds, MP1 checks, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, CO calls $1.25, 2 folds, BB calls $1, MP1 folds
Flop: ($4.20) 4:spade: 2:spade: 9:heart: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.75, CO raises to $6, BB folds, Hero calls $3.25
Turn: ($16.20) Q:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
River: ($16.20) 8:club: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8, Hero calls $8
 
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3 bet the flop (or more passively, lead the turn after the brick). What hand did you put him on that was ahead on the flop? He's not likely going to raise a set, and he shouldn't have 2 pair. So I'd have him on a flush draw or TP. River call is fine.
 
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3-bet the flop and fold to a 4-bet, set mining with 44 or 99 here is possible but you need to find out if CO is buying a free card on a FD.
 
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What size should I be 3betting this flop to and then folding? Theres only 4 specific hands villain could have that I would be behind to, specifically 22,44,99 and maybe AA. 24 is a remote possibility but the other 2 pair combos are never going to be in his range.
 
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I think if you 3-bet the flop, you're going to be committed. I'm inclined to 3-bet the flop and call an all-in. Flush draw or weaker overpair are too likely to make this a fold getting those kind of odds.

I don't like the flat call because we're out of position. If a spade comes on the turn, you check, and he bets, what do you do? I don't think it's safe to assume he has a set or a flush. He could easily have a weaker overpair or top pair, especially with one spade. And if we're check-calling even when the worst card comes, why not just get it in on the flop? You lose about the same if he flopped a set whether you shove the flop or check-call all the way down. I think you lose value versus top pair and weaker overpairs by not pushing the action on the flop, because a spade coming would usually kill your action.
 
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3 bet the flop (or more passively, lead the turn after the brick). What hand did you put him on that was ahead on the flop? He's not likely going to raise a set, and he shouldn't have 2 pair. So I'd have him on a flush draw or TP. River call is fine.

This ought to help you out.. i would put him on a flush draw in all probability , that depends on what kind of a player he is though , a loose player and i wud b sure.
 
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I thing he is not with set and he confidence isn't with flush drow (unless he hold top pear and flush drow).
May be he hold a top pear ... something like A9s, K9s, 9T.
I thing you must push him on the river.
 
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3 bet the flop (or more passively, lead the turn after the brick). What hand did you put him on that was ahead on the flop? He's not likely going to raise a set, and he shouldn't have 2 pair. So I'd have him on a flush draw or TP. River call is fine.

If we put him on flushdraw or TP, why are we flatting the river ? If he does have a FD or TP he most likely didn't improve so we should be raising, no ?
 
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Just play for stacks on flop. JJ, TT, A9 and flush draws are a much larger part of his stacking range than sets.
 
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Just play for stacks on flop. JJ, TT, A9 and flush draws are a much larger part of his stacking range than sets.

+1. Let's get the monies in.
 
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Just play for stacks on flop. JJ, TT, A9 and flush draws are a much larger part of his stacking range than sets.

To add to this:

It's not really worth the trouble to go to great length to avoid paying sets with your big hands, if the cost of that is that you don't extract proper value from underpairs and draws.

The way you make set mining unprofitable for villains is by also raising more marginal hands in position and folding the set miners with your cbet when they miss, and then of course since you raise non premium hands, you don't pay them off when they hit their set.

see https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/100nl-fr-bread-butter-139654/
 
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I would be thinking he flopped a set or holding the nut flush at least. I may have missed something but my money is saying he flopped a set after his reraise. I think you still have to call but figuring you are behind in the hand. Like the FTP commercials when you are beat your beat and lay them down.
 
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