[25NL FR] JJ

Jurn8

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Here do we make this call ?

Villian is a 13/4/NA over only 25 hands, is it possible we can call this with overs + a gutshot?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP1: $10.85 (43.4 bb)
MP2: $30.05 (120.2 bb)
MP3: $25.25 (101 bb)
CO: $24.90 (99.6 bb)
BTN: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $26.70 (106.8 bb)
BB: $21.20 (84.8 bb)
UTG+1: $9.85 (39.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J:diamond: J:heart:
5 folds, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, BB folds, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($6.25) 7:club: 9:club: 6:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($16.25) T:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $16.65 and is all-in, Hero??
 
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I would have raised the flop if i were you, its hard to say what he's got because he did open from the button but i think his most likely holdings are 2 overs to that board and the $5 is a regular c-bet, if i were him, in position and drawing on that flop i'd rather take a free card then bet out i think.

I don't know if i would call an all in though, i'm only at 5nl atm and i don't know if theres any huge differences @ 25nl but i dont like to get myself in marginal situations for my stack, theres plenty of oppurtunity to call for my stack in a better spot than this, he seems like quite a straight up player with 13/4, even though theres only 25 hands on him if he was real laggy then it would have started to show through i think, it might be a bit nitty to some but i'd give him the benefit of the doubt and wait for a better spot. If you did call here i'd be very interested to see what he had.

Just my 2c's worth :)
 
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3bet pre seems a little small to me. Any reason why you are not cbetting this flop? What was your thought process there?
 
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As played, I'm calling because I think I'm ahead of his range.

Really like the idea of either cbetting the flop for 3/4 pot up to actual pot, or c/r up to around $12+. Really hard to tell now where he's at - he could be thinking you're playing a strong A and just whiffed (why else wouldn't you cbet or c/r flop?), so he's going to take it down immediately with his own A that just whiffed (or hit the 9 or T). This is partly why I'm calling, incidentally, since I think this is a real scenario.

If his pf raise really was QQ+, or he flopped a set, so be it.

FYI, we played on the same table for about 25 hands last night (well, it was my last night, think it was your morning) - tried saying Hi - my Stars user name is slycebu... I would've liked to have stayed to watch you play, but the table started breaking up.
 
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I think you need to 3-bet more preflop. He's getting better than 2:1 odds on that preflop w/ position on you....

So yeah, after I do that I'm definitely c-betting this flop (I might make it closer to pot sized), I don't want him taking any free cards on this type of board and my Jacks. You did things a little differently, so I'm not sure what I do at this point.

I probably just fold and then punch something, or call and punch something. All I know is something is getting punched.
 
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What terrible info posted in this thread. Sorry Jurn, wow ...

Some general advice to agree with the peanut gallery:

1. Make your 3bet there bigger, generally $3.50 to $4.

2. You have to cbet that flop or at least check raise. Period.

3. You've been ridiculously passive post flop but now any 8 has you crushed. Two pair and set possibilities. There's the off chance that QQ or KK or even AA is out there. You gotta fold.
 
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What terrible info posted in this thread.

Most of the reason I post is to learn, and I hope to be corrected when I'm mistaken - I definitely consider myself a beginner and not an expert - could you be a little more specific?

Hero's certainly crushed if Villain shows up with any of those hands - you're obviously thinking the push all-in means he's very likely to have one of those hands - I was thinking that a button raise and the passive postflop play to this point still leave Villain's range wide open, 77+,AT+, but that's not the case here?

Thanks, happy to be wrong...
 
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What terrible info posted in this thread. Sorry Jurn, wow ...

Some general advice to agree with the peanut gallery:

1. Make your 3bet there bigger, generally $3.50 to $4.

2. You have to cbet that flop or at least check raise. Period.

3. You've been ridiculously passive post flop but now any 8 has you crushed. Two pair and set possibilities. There's the off chance that QQ or KK or even AA is out there. You gotta fold.

I said fold,i said fold!!! and i said raise the flop! am i a peanut? lol

Just one question though, i know by raising to $3 he gave him good odds to call in position but what would a raise to 3.50 or 4 accomplish that a $3 raise doesn't?
 
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Why don't you get the money in on the flop? If you're not happy when that flop comes, you should not be 3betting JJ in the first place.
 
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Sly and Orange - I don't think Ice meant you guys (and if he did, he's obv wrong :p coz you guys have been contributing a lot in the micro thread and HA).

Yeah Jurn make the pf 3bet $3.5-4 when were oop. $3 is fine i/p. Anyways, chk flop is fine if your gonna chk/raise, personally I cb that flop always. Playing poker oop by just calling that flop is probably burning $$$ as there's so many cards that kill our action on the turn. You want the money in on the flop if possible so even CRAI is probably the best way of doing this. As belgo said, if your not gonna bet/raise the flop then don't 3bet pf.
 
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Hey guys, someone pointed out my first comment was rude ... after reading it I wanted to make sure that it wasn't aimed at people that tried to make comments but rather the people that simply write "LOL" or whatever in these threads. It was definitely not intended for people that gave their comments, which if you read, are actually very close to mine (so obviously , I am not taking any jabs against them).
 
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back to the hand.. is it wrong to think here that villain has something like 89? The 3bet preflop would let villain know that hero has a big hand and the OESD and top pair on the flop means that villain is going to bet the flop when checked to, and probably willing to dump it all in on the flop. since hero just calls, he just decides to shove on the turn thinking hero is slowplaying a big pair.

or is this thinking completely off?
 
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Ah ok guys cool, was abit of a tough spot and poor preflop play by myself in not making the 3bet alot larger which would have made my life easier on the flop.

Thanks guys for all advice
 
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