[25NL FR] AQ in the SB

Richyl2008

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I have no reads/stats on this guy. Not sure if this is a typical spot where I should be squeezing AQ against a utg limper in a full ring game, although I do it regularly in 6max. Those tiny little bets seem to throw me off sometimes, honestly wanted to ch/raise him there on the turn but I have outs and I thought I would look totally fos. Anyone play this differently here?


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HAND #1
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party poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
SB: $26.60 (106.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $25 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $19.30 (77.2 bb)
UTG+2: $24 (96 bb)
MP1: $5.05 (20.2 bb)
MP2: $37.75 (151 bb)
MP3: $25 (100 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)
BTN: $23.50 (94 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A
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UTG+1 calls $0.25, 4 folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $1.75, UTG+1 calls $1.50, 2 folds
Flop: ($4) 4
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Hero bets $2.50, UTG+1 calls $2.50
Turn: ($9) 7
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Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75
River: ($10.50) 8
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Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $2, Hero folds
Results: $10.50 pot ($0.50 rake)
 
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If he called the bet on the flop then i think that i would have folded to the bet on the turn becasue limping UTG and then check betting sounds to me like he was sitting on a big PP or he hit a set and was trying to slow play. another thing is you bet almost twice what he bet on the flop so sounds like a value bet to me if he was trying to steal he may have bet more
 
Richyl2008

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I dont think folding the turn is an option, since I'm getting like 13 to 1,
 
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Yeah, but what are you saying by just calling the turn bet? Buying a view of the river for 3 BBs.

Unless an overcard that scares him comes on the river I think he knows he's either ahead or you've missed. On top of which that's not the best flop, and it doesn't get any prettier on the turn or river when you're against an UTG limp/caller.

Reads would be really helpful in this situation, but without them I don't know that I call the river. I like his bet size on the river for this level making it big enough to be tougher to raise him with air but hard to fold. I fold and wait for a better read.
 
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I think the preflop raise was a bit crazy high. You're either getting called by a maniac who you can't put on anything, or you've limited the field to hands that beat you. Also the flop C-bet seemed higher than neccesary. Adjusting these two factors would have given you a small enough pot to fold the bet on the turn, which I agree looked pretty clearly to be begging for a call. Fairly dry boards such as that one don't demand very high C-bets to take it down if you're going to get to.
 
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NineLions said:
Yeah, but what are you saying by just calling the turn bet? Buying a view of the river for 3 BBs.

I'm not really trying to say anything other than he is giving me direct odds to draw to my gutshot, regardless if I win any money on the river or not. Not to mention that my overcards very well may be live.

Unless an overcard that scares him comes on the river I think he knows he's either ahead or you've missed. On top of which that's not the best flop, and it doesn't get any prettier on the turn or river when you're against an UTG limp/caller.

Against a utg limper I think there is a lot of small pp's, suited aces, and suited connectors that he will fold on the flop, and I still have a gutshot and overs as backup.


Reads would be really helpful in this situation, but without them I don't know that I call the river. I like his bet size on the river for this level making it big enough to be tougher to raise him with air but hard to fold. I fold and wait for a better read.
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I agree, I did fold. If I go nuts on the river the only credible hand I can represent is 99 or 9x, but I just don't know if he is capable of folding or not.

IveGot0uts said:
I think the preflop raise was a bit crazy high. You're either getting called by a maniac who you can't put on anything, or you've limited the field to hands that beat you. Also the flop C-bet seemed higher than neccesary. Adjusting these two factors would have given you a small enough pot to fold the bet on the turn, which I agree looked pretty clearly to be begging for a call. Fairly dry boards such as that one don't demand very high C-bets to take it down if you're going to get to.
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What would be the proper raise size here with 3 limpers, oop,? If they are limp calling preflop with a hand that has me crushed like AK,QQ+ , more power to them. But I think it's more likely they will be calling with speculative or dominated hands. Haven't played much full ring recently to be honest, so I could be wrong on this.
 
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guys please think before you type.

- the pf raise and raise size is fine given we're OOP against two limpers

- we're getting a zillion to one to call on the turn

- the flop hits the average 25NL player's limp-calling range pretty hard, it's not really a 'dry' flop. JT+/QJ+/98s are all in villain's range. that said the c-bet is fine, i probably c-bet between half and two-thirds of the time here.

- we can't possibly call river.

so basically the whole hand looks fine to me.
 
shammalamma

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If there was an error in your play, in my opinion, it would be not raising his turn bet. Either he's got something balls-solid on the turn to bet .75 into a 9$ pot, or he has 2 hi cards (ak, kq?) which is not completely out of the ordinary for him to open with UTG. Raising his piddly turn bet would at least give you an idea of where you stand right there, and might even let you take it down. I know it's aggressive and probably not for everybody, but that'd be my move on his turn bet..
 
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