[25nl FR] AJ TPTK facing flop reraise

UTG+2: $4.75 (19 bb)
MP1: $9.08 (36.3 bb)
MP2: $5.22 (20.9 bb)
MP3: $38.86 (155.4 bb)
CO: $28.30 (113.2 bb)
BTN: $25 (100 bb)
SB: $43.56 (174.2 bb)
BB: $6.39 (25.6 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): $25 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with A J
Hero raises to $1, 5 folds, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($3.25) 6 J 9 (3 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $2.90, BTN raises to $6.50, SB folds, Hero ???

Villain is 52/18/1 over 45 hands with a 67% fold to cbet.

So I'm cbetting my TPTK here and get reraised.
It looks like a value reraise, is it one ?

I have noticed some people getting their big flushdraws in on the flop but maybe that's my mind screwing with me. Also that's probably more the shortstackers who do that. Is his AF too low to be doing that ? What do we put him on here ?

Then what is our action ? Fold or flat ? Reraise/shove even ?

eNTy said:

I have noticed some people getting their big flushdraws in on the flop but maybe that's my mind screwing with me.

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Actually, most good players will play for stacks on flop here with a flush draw + overs or a flush and straight draw. It's immediately profitable when you combine fold equity and pot equity when called. And it provides good balance to playing your sets aggressively.

Nevertheless, villain here is not very good and not too aggressive, so it's somewhat unlikely he's doing that. Fishes tend to bet their made hands rather than their equity.

BelgoSuisse said:

Actually, most good players will play for stacks on flop here with a flush draw + overs or a flush and straight draw. It's immediately profitable when you combine fold equity and pot equity when called. And it provides good balance to playing your sets aggressively.

Nevertheless, villain here is not very good and not too aggressive, so it's somewhat unlikely he's doing that. Fishes tend to bet their made hands rather than their equity.

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So he's got a made hand then most likely ?
We should dump it and is it terrible to flat his reraise then ?

Not a lot of hands to make the stats accurate, but if his folding to 67% c-bet somewhat representative then he's not doing this with air. And he's afraid of the drawy board.

Could be a nut flush draw/overcards/gutshot draw combo, but I don't expect to see that type of holding played this aggressively at $25NL, especially from someone with that aggression rating.

Overpairs are possible, especially QQ, but I see a lot of AA/KK that flat rather than 3bet at this level too so I wouldn't write those off totally either. Mind you, you would think someone with a PFR of 18 wouldn't hesitate to 3bet AA/KK. Sets as well.

I don't think you can flat now OOP, and I think folding > raising 'cause I think he's saying he's not going to give up on this hand.

Yeah I just muck here. You're either barely ahead or way behind. If he were more aggro and would push just with naked flush draw or like QJ/JT you could play for stacks but he just seems to be relatively passive postflop from the stats given.

Flatting the flop is an option. There are definitely draws out there, but this guy is spazzy enough that he could potentially shove QT and stuff, and we can't really continue vs a shove, so I think flatting and raising good turns is a decent option.

If he bets more, like 3/4 pot, I think flatting is the only option.

As played I agree we fold. When draws bet/3bet, they almost always shove. I expect a lot of sets and two pair hands here.

OK, thanks guys.

Since I'm relatively new to HA, after discussions do I posts results or is it just unnecessary ?

Doesn't matter.

If you do post them, wait at least a day or however long it takes for good discussion to end.

Does anyone just consider folding AJo from UTG+1? Or is that too nitty?

SeanyJ said:

Does anyone just consider folding AJo from UTG+1? Or is that too nitty?

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Nothing wrong at all with folding this preflop. If you do play AJ from EP you really need to make sure you're not playing for stacks with just a single pair (unless your villain is just a spewtard).

SeanyJ said:

Does anyone just consider folding AJo from UTG+1? Or is that too nitty?

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Its not in my range from UTG or UTG+1 either tbh, I also wouldnt play AJs UTG+1 would start from MP.

Jurn8 said:

Its not in my range from UTG or UTG+1 either tbh, I also wouldnt play AJs UTG+1 would start from MP.

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Ok maybe AJo is pretty close, but I'm not openfolding AJs from UTG even.

eNTy said:

Ok maybe AJo is pretty close, but I'm not openfolding AJs from UTG even.

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Filter you db for when you've played AJs from UTG and I think you'll see why you won't really miss playing it. I'm up .20 with it when I play it from UTG.

Could only filter by EP+AJs cause I'm a HEM noob, so it's UTG, UTG+1 and UTG+2 but I'm up $22.

Filter to AJs only, then choose the position report on the top left.

eNTy said:

Could only filter by EP+AJs cause I'm a HEM noob, so it's UTG, UTG+1 and UTG+2 but I'm up $22.

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My guess is that 95% of those profits are from UTG+2 (that's where I start winning with AJs).

WVHillbilly said:

My guess is that 95% of those profits are from UTG+2 (that's where I start winning with AJs).

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Possibly, maybe ill check tomorrow.

Is it really not worth playing then ?

fwiw I fold AQs UTG.

i open AQs from any position at basically any table; i think the added nut value is too much to let it go and it makes up for a lot of reverse implied odds problems AQo can have from UTG. offsuit i will sometimes raise sometimes fold depending on the table and my image

zach, question, what's the largest pair that you fold UTG as a standard?

combuboom said:

zach, question, what's the largest pair that you fold UTG as a standard?

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88, although sometimes I'll open 77/88 UTG. Pretty much 22-66 are being insta-mucked UTG though and mostly 77/88 get mucked as well.