$25NL - extracting value with flopped top set?

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Villain is 24/19/4 over 50 hands. I'm 19/17/6, and I've 3bet twice in the last four orbits (the deck really hit me in the face for a while).

Stacks:
* HERO with $36.15
* MP2 with $6.00
* CO with $15.00
* BTN with $4.10
* SB with $2.85
* BB with $21.30
* Villain with $53.75
* UTG+1 with $9.90


Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
Site: pokerstars
* * Dealt to HERO:Q♥ Q♠
* * Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
* * VILLAIN raises $1 to $1.25
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero raises $2 to $3.25
* * 5 players fold.
* * VILLAIN raises $2.75 to $6
* * Hero calls [$2.75]
* * Total folds this street: 6
* * Potsize: $12.6
Flop:
* * 2♣ Q♣ J♥
* * VILLAIN: checks
* * HERO: ???

Is the preflop action okay, and how do I extract the most value from this situation? How does the flop affect my decisions (other than the obvious top set I've flopped)? Is there more than one line of play that makes sense here?

I think Villain has been paying attention to Hero's play, and probably thinks Hero's pretty LAGGY - Hero hasn't showndown a hand in quite a while - how does that affect Hero's line?

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I'd definately bet here, the only hand that would miss this flop with his aggressive raises preflop is AK or 10/10 or below. He might even be checking a set of jacks to you to let you hang yourself.

Expect action from these sort of hands which is very likely to be in his range. AA KK AQ AJ JJ KQ AKs.

Also you don't want a danger card to peel off for free, imagine 10c on the turn give him possible outs.
 
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I would definitely check here. If he does have JJ, all the money's getting in later anyways. If he has AA/KK, I know he's pooping his pants when the Q and J hit the flop so I would try to disguise my hand by checking and he's likely to fire any turn anyways.
I just couldn't risk making him fold AK here when I think he'll fire on any turn.
 
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You have to bet this imo.
Its a wet flop that smack hit villain range and you have a Laggy images,if villain is paying attention like you think checking might look fishy so u have to c-bet. There are also plenty of scare cards in the deck for both of u so you whant money in now so your not faced with as dificult a decison when the Kc,Tc,Ac,8c ect hits
I lead out for 9$ and expect to be called.
 
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Cool, Spranger and Sindri got the two approaches I was thinking about on the table. I bet 2/3 pot on the flop - later it occured to me that maybe I should've checked behind.

I'd thought from the pf action that AK and JJ+ (maybe even TT) were all in his range - I guess he either had TT or AK, since he snap folded, I don't see him folding AA or KK that quickly.

I was also a little worried about the wet flop, and didn't want to give a fd or AK a free turn card - as Spranger says, I wonder if I shouldn't have let him have that card... But, as Sindri says, I'm not crazy about the turn action if a T or a club shows up...

If you don't mind one more question here, could you compare this to the logic of calling in position in this post from Bob_Tiger? https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cas.../100nl-flopped-set-position-dry-board-143270/ Obviously the situation Bob describes is different since Villain leads out and the board is dry, but if calling behind in Bob's scenario is a good approach to that situation, is checking behind in this scenario a good approach to this situation?

Thanks guys
 
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Remind me why we flatted his 4-bet again? As played this is an obvious bet on an action flop. AA-JJ, AK, AQ all have part of this board. I'd bet enough to allow me to shove the turn for ~60% of the pot.
 
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Remind me why we flatted his 4-bet again? As played this is an obvious bet on an action flop. AA-JJ, AK, AQ all have part of this board. I'd bet enough to allow me to shove the turn for ~60% of the pot.

I was thinking that QQ was on the lower end of his 3betting range - just ran it through pokerstove as JJ+,AQ+ and just realized it's a coinflip... Even removing AQ leaves it at a coinflip...

No need to wait for the flop, just shove?
 
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No need to wait for the flop, just shove?
Yeah, against a 24/19, I'm shoving QQ+/AK preflop & feeling pretty good about it. I guess since his 4-bet is small, calling isn't terrible. But I'd rather call a 3-bet in position than a 4-bet. You can still fold K high flops in a 3-bet pot, but the 4-bet just takes the whole commitment thing to a whole new level. I'd just 5-bet shove it in.
 
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