[25nl 6max] QQ ... wa/wb situation, yes?

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Villain is a 62/0/2 dude over only 22 hands and fold to flop bet is 60%. This is a wa/wb situation yes?

Stacks:

MP with $24.50
CO with $35.50
BTN with $25.90
SB with $29.60
BB with $25.00
UTG with $16.85

Dealt to BB:Q♠ Q♥

Preflop:
UTG calls [$0.25]
4 players fold.
Hero raises $1 to $1.25
UTG calls [$1]
Total folds this street: 4
Potsize: $2.6

Flop:
8♠ K♥ 7♥
Hero: checks
UTG: checks
Potsize: $2.6

Turn:
K♦
Hero bets [$1.50]
UTG raises $1.50 to $3
Hero calls [$1.50]
Potsize: $8.6

River:
7♦
Hero: checks
UTG bets [$12.60] [ all-in ]
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Why the turn bet if you realize it's a wa/wb situation?
 
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Well there's a flush draw and straight draw on the flop, meaning you're not always way ahead. This guy's also so bad that you get looked up with a much wider range of hands than vs a decent player, so betting has more value. I think we can probably bet two streets and fold to a raise, but bet two and ch-c a brick river. As played I don't know what to do :p
 
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vs a 62/0 guy you can get away with leading out on this flop. it is such a drawy board, and the fact that villain will probably hold on to any 7/8 means you certainly can get called by worse. Besides, wa/wb doesn't work anywhere near so well when you are oop, because you are often turning your hand face up and asking to get owned (by a decent player tho so obviously vs this guy it isn't a problem).

Wa/wb is like when you have qq and the flop comes at3r or something. If you raise preflop, nobody is hanging on to a T in this case and there aren't anydraws, so you can basically only get action from an A or bluffs. By checking it back you let some hands bluff, whereas you aren't going to get somebody to bluff raise you on a board like that. So basically you lose value from bluffs, fold out hands you crush, and only get action from hands that have you crushed.

Btw, as played i think i fold this. Not really laying you a good price to bluff catch and loose passive guys don't tend to bluff all that much (snap call vs a maniac).
 
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I don't like the minraise on the turn. If he best 1.50, maybe raise to 2.35 or even 2.50 (maybe a bit high). I feel onliners at this level are always willing to call a minraise. So, in essence, you are building the pot. The value of the no longer applies to see if he is on a draw or something. If you increase the raise size, he has two options:

Realizes that you are repping the K and reraises --> you fold
Calls and shoves on the river. He could be making a move, but I feel it's less likely as I think you repped the K much better with the bigger raise.

Thoughts anyone?
 
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All draws whiffed. This is a call. (expect to be shown 7x though and laugh).

As has been said bc of the drawy board and the looseness of this opponent I lead flop lead turn and c-c river. If im raised I go with my gut based on the way the play has been
 
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I don't like the minraise on the turn. If he best 1.50, maybe raise to 2.35 or even 2.50 (maybe a bit high). I feel onliners at this level are always willing to call a minraise. So, in essence, you are building the pot. The value of the no longer applies to see if he is on a draw or something. If you increase the raise size, he has two options:

Realizes that you are repping the K and reraises --> you fold
Calls and shoves on the river. He could be making a move, but I feel it's less likely as I think you repped the K much better with the bigger raise.

Thoughts anyone?

Hero bet the turn and was min raised, he didnt min raise villains bet
 
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When I see someone with a 50%+ VPIP who just shoved all-in on me, I live (and die) by the rule "don't fold anything resembling a real hand."

Try it. It's fun.
 
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Without reading the responses this is my first impression.

Why no Cbet against a 62/0? Even if he calls you are still more than likely ahead of him.

With the second K on the turn I will cbet again as his chances of holding a K goes down. Of course there are those times when this strategy backfires and opponent has trips. I cant really comment further than this since I would have cbet that flop 200% of the time.

Did the bastard have a K?
 
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i'd prefer betting both flop and turn c/calling river.... as played I might call as I could imagine a 62/0 player would bet less if he actually had a K?
 
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Turn min raises are next to never bluffs.
River overbets are next to never bluffs.

My conclusion is this guy is next to never bluffing.

While this guy is a fish. He is the call too much kind. So when they start raising you have to respect them.
 
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Turn min raises are next to never bluffs.
River overbets are next to never bluffs.

I strongly disagree with both of these statements, and therefore I strongly disagree with the conclusion.
 
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