[25NL 6max] QQ vs very strange line

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Villain is 30/0/2.5 over 45 hands
I have been typical sLAG, around 20/18/2.5

pokerstars GAME #16711401441: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/04/13 - 20:45:57 (ET)
Table 'Hercules V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 3Foot2 ($11.10 in chips)
Seat 2: linda53 ($32.35 in chips)
Seat 3: lankyman ($26.45 in chips)
Seat 4: bw07507 ($24.25 in chips)
Seat 5: iceman19 ($27.40 in chips)
Seat 6: longd0ngjohn ($35.35 in chips)
linda53: posts small blind $0.10
lankyman: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [Qh Qd]
bw07507: raises $0.75 to $1
iceman19: folds
longd0ngjohn: folds
3Foot2: raises $2 to $3
linda53: calls $2.90
lankyman: folds
bw07507: raises $7 to $10
3Foot2: raises $1.10 to $11.10 and is all-in
linda53: calls $8.10
bw07507: calls $1.10
*** FLOP *** [7h 8h 7s]
linda53: bets $21.25 and is all-in
bw07507: ?
 
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Shove.

You have $13.50 left and there's what, about $45 you can win now? The way it played out pre-flop you should have known he was pushing it all on no matter what happened on the flop anyway.

Cry if he has A/A or K/K. Rejoice if he has a J/J or A/K.
 
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I think we have to call this. Villain is basically on an any pair/draw range, and we beat that.

Yes, slowplayed KK/AA are in his range, but so are JJ/TT/99/FDs/other random draws. Calllll.
 
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Pretty much been said above, I think we call this and expect to be ahead of most of the villain's range.

Though my poor tourney-player mind is a little confuzzled about villain shoving into a dry side pot in a cash game - what does this usually mean?
 
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yeah i call, this looks a lot like JJ, maybe TT. overcall/overcall would be pretty strange with AA/KK, especially the 2nd time where she has the perfect chance to get it in with a crap-ton in the pot

the shortie might have AA/KK (although you didnt offer numbers on them) which would definitely cut into what you can win, but at the same time it would make it way less likely that linda had either, so it's not the worst thing in the world and you can still win her money
 
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Though my poor tourney-player mind is a little confuzzled about villain shoving into a dry side pot in a cash game - what does this usually mean?

Due to her timid calls pre-flop, I think it just means that she has an overpair. J/J seems to be the most likely hand to me. I don't see how she could call that action with any 7, or 8/8.
Then when she sees that she has an overpair she gets excited and shoves. IE, she's only playing her cards and is paying no attention to what the pre-flop action was telling her.

People do stupid stuff too, so you can't rule out A/K as well despite there being no money in the side pot. Maybe she'd see it as an isolation move of some sort, hoping that he has a similar hand and will fold so she'll win it all if the A or K hits. (Maybe A/Kh?)

Anyway, I'd push all my chips into the pot here without too much hesitation.

I wouldn't be too surprised if 3Foot2 had K/K or A/A, but I'd be really surprised if Linda53 had us beat.
 
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Shove.

You have $13.50 left and there's what, about $45 you can win now? The way it played out pre-flop you should have known he was pushing it all on no matter what happened on the flop anyway.

Cry if he has A/A or K/K. Rejoice if he has a J/J or A/K.
totally agree... obvius she was going allin whatever the flop was...
but I would put first 3Foot2 on a KK/AA hand cuz he just loved the action thats happening around him... and he was just waiting for the chance to shove his whole chips in ... where on the other hand Linda just flat calls both raises times preflop... and wouldnt put her on 99/TT/JJ...
 
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Well, 3Foot2 was a short stack so without any other information I automatically discredit his hand a bit. But I agree that if anybody has A/A or K/K, it's him.
 
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Yea, not really sure why I posted this one, given the way I played preflop and the pot odds I have to get this one all in. linda flipped over KK and 3foot2 flipped over AQ.
 
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wow, linda not shoving pre after the shortie gets in is horrible. if you'd had AK she gave you a free shot to see if you hit the flop or not
 
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totally bad play by linda imo... she should have isolated the shortstacker preflop raising allin right behinde him...

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and wouldnt put her on 99/TT/JJ...
this should have been WOULD... :)
 
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wow, linda not shoving pre after the shortie gets in is horrible. if you'd had AK she gave you a free shot to see if you hit the flop or not

I completely agree - although I have seen players like this around the B&M caasinos a lot. With KK or QQ, they tend to call any bet, but not raise, to see the flop - then jam it if no overcards hit the flop. I personally think its a lousy technique, yet it seems to payoff more often then not because it conceals their hand very well.
 
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Linda absolutely has a pocket pair, but I think AA or KK doesn't merit a 4bet call at PreFlop, she would have pushed it. QQ was probably good, at the least if only for the sidepot. Guessing you had one of them with AK, which means the likelyhood of AA or KK was less likely.
 
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