[25nl 6max] JJ Beaten?

icemonkey9

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Villain is 36/18/1.3 over 22 hands.

Stacks:

MP with $11.00
CO with $23.90
BTN with $25.50
SB with $9.40
BB (HERO) with $26.95
UTG with $22.85

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Dealt to BB:J♣ J♥

Preflop:
UTG calls [$0.25]
1 players fold.
CO raises $0.75 to $1
2 players fold.
Hero raises $2.25 to $3.25
1 players fold.
CO calls [$2.25]
Total folds this street: 4
Potsize: $6.85

Flop:
4♦ Q♦ 6♥
Hero bets [$5.25]
CO raises $5.75 to $11
Hero ?????https://www.cardschat.com
 
WVHillbilly

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What's this no cruise recap just straight to the HA???

Did you actually read the WA/WB thread? If so read it again!

Edit: I guess this could be a BA/WB spot because of the draw, but we really shouldn't be betting this flop.
 
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wa/wb really only applies if we are in position I believe. Ch/calling basically turns our hand face up and will allow villain to double/triple barrel us off our hand fairly easily. I like betting this flop for value (FDs and underpairs will call us). If we had more hands on villain and he has shown to be aggressive, then I wouldn't really mind stacking here, but against a relative unknown who hasn't been crazy I think this is just a fold.
 
WVHillbilly

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With this guys AF he's not firing 3 times and most likely not even twice without TP. I check/call this flop against a villain this passive every time.

Edit: I just noticed that the sample here is very small so that may change the play but I likely play it the same even still.
 
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i dont think I lead this flop. ch/c and re evaluate the turn. I think you have to fold as played. Just calling is committing us.
 
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wa/wb doesn't apply to this situation because you can't control the pot from oop and taking the c/c route absolutely screams i have TT/JJ please abuse the hell out of me. That said, against passive opponents a c/c route is acceptable, because you can typically assume if they double barrell you they have you beat, but you have to keep in mind that it is incredibly exploitable. However, 22 hands is absolutely no sample to base anything about an af value, since a person with an af of 3 could very easily have an af of 0.5 over a small sample depending on prevoius hands.

Min raises also suck, but unless you have a reason to believe this guy min raises cbets to try and cheaply steal i'd just toss this on the flop, because how exactly are you planning on playing this hand otherwise? Villain is almost certainly throwing the rest of his stack in on the turn and you can't call the min raise and then fold the turn.

So vs a somewhat passive unknown i'd just toss this in this situation, but vs other players you'd be looking to 3 bet this all in.
 
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I hate this spot. Villain either has us crushed with a Q or has a decent draw that coinflips with us. I think you need to give up.

I probably prefer check-calling on this flop, although i don't have the cbet as we're oop.

Fwiw, if I cbet, I cbet a bit less $$ here. $4 would do, imo. In a 3bet pot you don't need pot sized bets to get to play for stacks anyway with your big hands, so smaller cbets have about as much leverage as bigger ones, while they are obviously cheaper when you need to get away.
 
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