25nl 6max: JJ 4bet Shove/Squeeze

ajrobin

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Original raiser is a 40/11/9 and the flatter is like 50/2/3 (obv both are bad players)

Do we hate the shove or is standard?

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poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $28.05 (112.2 bb)
BTN: $25 (100 bb)
SB: $26.50 (106 bb)
BB: $22.85 (91.4 bb)
Hero (UTG): $24.15 (96.6 bb)
MP: $20 (80 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with J
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Hero raises to $1, MP folds, CO raises to $3.50, BTN folds, SB calls $3.40, BB folds, Hero raises to $24.15 and is all-in, CO folds, SB calls $20.65
 
widowmaker89

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First of all turn on the option to top off your stack if it gets under 100BB. Do you have any other reads on either player? Obviously CO fold and SB call is suprising but I will pretend we dont know that here. Whats CO 3bet? if its very low I probably flat this, as you are certainly getting odds in a multi-way for set mining only.

If CO has been tricky and 3betting you or if he may think you are a maniac then 4-betting is fine, the shove screams AK(or to a lessor extent your hand, you arent pushing with AA here) so I dont know if thats good or not. Id really base this off CO 3bet %, people with his stats usually have like 4% 3bet so Im probably just set mining. Im not worried about SB here(obviously seeing what happened would change that) so yeah, depends on 3bet %.
 
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Villian 1 (re-raiser) has a 7% 3bet. Why do we want to flat against a LAG and a calling station? Any overs coming on the flop and were pretty much going to have to give up to the LAG betting and the station calling? Also ideally dont we want to isolate the SB and get HU in position, flatting leaves us OOP in a 3bet pot with a middle-high pair.
 
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I don't think it's horrible but you have to think that you most likely will be called by a AK type of hand, and you're hoping that one of these guys doesn't have QQ-AA ... I don't think it's a horrible play but I just have a thing against JJ ... so overall I don't hate the squeeze shove.
 
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Preflop hands are such zzzz, but I think this is fine as long as those stats on 3-betting are over a decent sample.
 
widowmaker89

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I dont really see how we can try to isolate the SB, he flatted the 3bet, if anyone we are after CO, but I dont think we want to 4bet isolate anyone since we are pretty much getting it in.

40/11 is far from LAG by the way. if he is 27/24 this is a no brainer but not quite the case here.

My flatting would be if his 3bet was like 2-4%, meaning he has a very good hand and JJ is not good unless we improve. hoping for a coinflip is not really a situation I want to be. Since he has a higher 3bet thats not really the case though.
 
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Hmm kk interesting points considering 3bet %s. I suppose I should take a look at it before I 4bet :p. To wrap the hand up SB had 77 and I took down the pot.
 
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40/11 is so far from LAG. Think of a 40/11 as a 13/11 when they raise into a pot, and you should have a somewhat better idea of their raising range, instead of thinking that they are just loose fish that could have anything.

we never ever have to worry about what sb has here, so if the CO's 3B% of 7% is over a decent sample then i like this, as you do nicely against CO's range. And none of these players have half a brain so they won't be adjusting their 3B range to the fact that your UTG range is going to be quite tight.
 
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Hmm kk interesting points considering 3bet %s. I suppose I should take a look at it before I 4bet :p. To wrap the hand up SB had 77 and I took down the pot.

If SB was not such a fish, I would say he made a good call because your play looks soooo much like AK. :D
 
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