$25NL 6Max J9 Backdoors straight

Richyl2008

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BB is 30/23/3 ~50 hands
His checkraise on the flop looked weak so I decided to reraise and he calls. I check back the turn and river a straight. I have about 12 bb more than a pot sized bet here.

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party poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
MP: $16.15 (64.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $25.35 (101.4 bb)
BTN: $25.10 (100.4 bb)
SB: $4.05 (16.2 bb)
BB: $23.15 (92.6 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with 9
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MP folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, BB calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.60) 7
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K
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2
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BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $6.75, BB calls $4.25
Turn: ($15.10) T
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BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($15.10) Q
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BB checks, Hero ?
 
Double-A

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I'd be inclined to check.

Checking feels weak but what can villian have that he'll call a bet with?
 
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I'd be inclined to check.

Checking feels weak but what can villian have that he'll call a bet with?

I'd check too, his call on your flop-reraise gives me a feeling that he's not afraid of the flush (i.e. he might have it...)

He's not going for value on turn or river so he might not have the nuts.

I'd put him on either a flush like 10d,9d two pair K7/K2 (unlikely he played that preflop) or a set of 7s.
 
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I'd check too, his call on your flop-reraise gives me a feeling that he's not afraid of the flush (i.e. he might have it...)

He's not going for value on turn or river so he might not have the nuts.

I'd put him on either a flush like 10d,9d two pair K7/K2 (unlikely he played that preflop) or a set of 7s.

Wouldn't a flush reraise this flop, or at least bet the turn or river after I show weakness on the turn.
 
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Wouldn't a flush reraise this flop, or at least bet the turn or river after I show weakness on the turn.

....I thought about that, too - as he called the flop-reraise why didn't he shove ?
He might have thought that you were on a higher flush - or was unsure what to do now...
Or it was an elaborate trap to suck you all-in.
...hard to say anyway.... I'd still check.
 
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Value-bet this river all day long like its your job. Do you realize how much your hand looks like a missed flush draw on the river if you bet? I'd totally expect to get called down by KJ and maybe worse. And I wouldn't bet small either, I'd drop out like 9$.


Also, wtf is up with the flop raise? You have fold equity here almost never since he's almost always got a draw or something he wants to continue with.
 
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rileyl

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Personally I think I bet/fold this river. So with basically like $16 left effectively, I probably bet $5. This allows you to get value from the 2 pair, top pair and set part of his range and allows you to be able to fold if you get reraised all-in.

The only downside to this is that it assumes that your opponent won't reraise you on a bluff. If your opponents capable of doing that then checking is the best option.
 
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....btw how did the hand finish ?
..if you checked...
 
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I'd bet the river with great confidence (not that it's the best hand but that it's the right move). What's more, I'd probably shove all-in on the river, which is about pot sized, and aim to get called by two pair, a set, or maybe even AK/KJ. Betting the river looks like total BS on our part after checking the turn, and if he's as loose as his stats indicate, I think he'd likely make a hero call with any of those hands.
 
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I'm glad others showed up with some contrasting opinions. This hand is pretty interesting for some one at my level of play. So, thanks to Richy for posting it and all others who replied.


My thoughts about NOT betting the river were centered around how I'd play from the villians seat:

I wouldn't call a shove without a decent flush or broadway.

If hero bets less than the pot then I'm all in.

So, if Hero checks it down he dodges those bullets.

From some of the replies I see how that type of thinking could cost me money by missing value OTR.
 
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If you're not betting this river with the 2nd nut straight, wtf are you going to bet with? Flushes only? You're missing gobs of value by not betting because our opponent will DEFINITELY look us up with 2 pair/sets here, and will most likely look us up with 1 pair hands as well. Add into the fact his range doesn't include a lot of flushes since he'd certainly v-bet the river with a lot of those and you have a CLEAR value bet.

I don't even understand how this is up for debate. I bet 8-9$ and even call a shove at these stakes.
 
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I don't really like betting $8-9. It's obvious you have to bet this but I would rather either make it small enough say $5 that you can fold to a reraise or just shove which is basically a potsize bet.

I think betting $8 or $9 doesn't really make sense as he probably calls with pretty much the same range whether you bet 8 or shove and betting $8 doesn't allow you the option to fold to a raise given that only $16 effective stacks.
 
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K, fine. Bet 5, 9, shove, whatever. I don't think the difference is that huge here. I'd probably lean more to the large side, since a lot of his range has made 2 pair, and I think we're getting check/raised almost never. But the key here is to bet!!!!! Not betting is an epic leak.
 
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I definitely agree that not betting is HUGELY TERRIBLE (don't give me any grammar lessons). And while it's probably not a huge difference I still think betsizing on the river is important as different sized bets will accomplish different things. But w/e, now that I think about it I lean towards a shove here, I think.
 
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i wuld bet cause if he had the flush after the flop he prob wuld have raised all in or he has the ace of diamonds and u got him beat so id think a half size of the pot shuld get him to fold unless he did slowplay the turn and river but how did it go ?
 
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I think c9's spot on here. you stayed in to hit your draw, you hit it. now you ship it.

I dont see any made flush not betting for value here, so bet big enough that you can snapcall a shove. he's showing up with 2pair and sets way more than enough to make this profitable.
 
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