[25nl 6max] Give Up Situation?

icemonkey9

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Villain is a 38/0/1 over 21 hands with a 33% fold to flop bet. At the time he was about the same stats but only after 15 hands so pretty much an unknown.

BTN with $24.65
SB with $50.00
BB with $25.00
UTG with $23.00


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Dealt to BB:A♦ K♠
Sklansky group 2

Preflop:
1 players fold.
BTN calls [$0.25]
1 players fold.
Hero raises $1 to $1.25 BTN calls [$1]
Total folds this street: 2
Potsize: $2.6

Flop: 4♠ 2♣ 3♣ Hero bets [$1.75] BTN calls [$1.75]
Potsize: $6.1

Turn: Q♥ Hero: checks BTN bets [$5.25]
Hero ????????
 
BelgoSuisse

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Why don't you double barrel? Q is a perfect card for that.

As played, I think you do need to give up.

Does he usually limp from BTN? This is highly unusual.
 
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Just a weird hand ... double barreling at 25nl 6max has yielded zero positive results even when I was running great. It is possible he saw my check as his opportunity to hit the pot to take it ... but really?
 
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double barreling at 25nl 6max has yielded zero positive results even when I was running great. It is possible he saw my check as his opportunity to hit the pot to take it ... but really?

Maybe you don't choose your spots well for double barrels? This one looks really nice to me provided villain's stats are not strongly against it.

The flop on the other hand was not a great spot for a cbet, so i'd say it's extremely likely you were floated here. But if you were floated by a medium pp, you're behind anyway and calling the turn will bring no good.
 
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As played fold turn. I don't know if I'd cbet here though. C/Fing the flop is probably weak, but it could be the best line here. Just a really bad flop, like no good cards that could come to help us. As played on the flop though I do like double barreling the turn. The single club hands that floated the flop can't continue and neither can like top pair even hands like 88/99 have trouble calling you here. And obviously the total air floating you can't call the second barrel.
 
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You've made this hand pretty easy for your opponent. It's almost certain that the flop missed your BB raising range, so floating the flop is almost certainly correct. Then when you fail to bet a decent scare card on the turn, your opponent would be right to bet with any 2 because it's pretty obvious that you've given up.

I also don't like the flop cbet but if your hand were KQ/AQ and you had cbet the flop, would you check the turn when the Queen hit?
 
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Double barrel ALL DAY LONGGGG

Forget the stakes, you find bad players everywhere. I double barrel a 38/0 here always, especially since he folds to flop so infrequently.
 
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So the best move (disregard my play) here would be to check the flop and bet the Q on the turn if he checked it through?
 
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i'd bet both flop and turn, and frankly you are probably ahead on this board normally anyways. villain like this might peel this flop with almost any 2 but might fold the turn unimproved. as played you have to fold the turn.

And fwiw, 38/0/1 don't float...so if he bets the turn he probably has something. But double barrelling this is still the right play imo.

What is definitely the WRONG play is to cbet a flop vs a fish with a huge peeling range then to give up on the turn.

Don't try to bluff a fish off of top pair (normally the guys who are super loose passive pf but fold to alot of cbets...so if they call a cbet they probably have something they won't let go of) but for guys who are loose passive pre and peel alot of flops double barrelling is good because their total trash can't stand up to a 2nd bet most of the time.
 
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