25NL 6max, Call villain's river shove?

I'm not really happy with my line. I think delaying the c-bet to the turn may be better here. Anyway, given the way it's been played, should I call the river here?

Villain is 22/14/1.5 over 110 hands. He has recently played for stacks (and lost) with QJ on a J high board (beaten by TPTK).

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Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)
SB: $28.40 (113.6 bb)
BB: $94.20 (376.8 bb)
UTG: $29.85 (119.4 bb)
MP: $57.50 (230 bb)
CO: $20.90 (83.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with T A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.90, 2 folds, CO calls $2.05

Flop: ($6.15) 4 6 A (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3.75, CO calls $3.75

Turn: ($13.65) 3 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($13.65) 2 (2 players)
CO bets $14.25 and is all-in

I would like to apolagise in advance since my post is going to be of no use.

I have absolutely no idea what i would do on the river since this could easily be busted hearts, pp's weaker aces just as often as a,k a,q a,j, 2 pairs and sets. I probably make a fold in the end.

Although now i think more, we check on the turn ( a check that i like by the way) for pot control and to allow lesser hands to bluff us, surely the river shove has achieved that so now we have to call. If we aren't going to call this shove, should we be betting the turn instead??

Like i said, this post won't give you a real result, but is just to spark a bit of discussion on what we should be doing on the turn in relation to river action.

fwiw though, i fold

Thanks for the comments anyway.

I really don't see AQ, AJ or any lower ace shove for value here. Maybe AK does?

I don't quite see any hand that makes two pairs by the river that would be able to call the preflop 3bet and the cbet. And I don't really see a hand with a five in it in villain's range.

I would say villain's range is made of AK and sets that beat us. And busted flush draws for which we have a nice bluff catcher.

What's your image like?

Idk, I think this could be a failed turn check/raise all in with a big hand. But at the same time, his line is kinda FOS. I don't think I can call this without history tho. But to be sure, this isn't a 1 pair hand. Its either air that looked pretty on the flop, or like 44.

Against an unknown I fold here.

BelgoSuisse said:

Thanks for the comments anyway.

I really don't see AQ, AJ or any lower ace shove for value here. Maybe AK does?

I don't quite see any hand that makes two pairs by the river that would be able to call the preflop 3bet and the cbet. And I don't really see a hand with a five in it in villain's range.

I would say villain's range is made of AK and sets that beat us. And busted flush draws for which we have a nice bluff catcher.

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Ye i actualy don't see any lower ace shoving river, i actually don't see any ace doing it since surely a,j a,q or a,k will check raise the flop if villain got it is with q,j in an earlier hand.

I imagine his range is actually only busted flush/2 pair+, therefore i fold since tbh it isn't worth villain shoving river on a bluff with not too much in the pot.

The more i look at it, te more this looks like a flopped big hand (2 pair +) that villain tried to slowplay on flop and was planning check/raise on turn. A lot of people who do this with monsters panick at not getting money in pot and shove any river.

So im folding this for sure now

c9h13no3 said:

What's your image like?

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Yesterday night I was playing a little tighter than usual. 19/15/2, 3betting 5%, cbetting 60% .

switch0723 said:

fwiw though, i fold

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c9h13no3 said:

Against an unknown I fold here.

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switch0723 said:

So im folding this for sure now

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Seems pretty unanymous.

Well, I did make the hero call after a long thought. With Villain's weird line, I do think it's some kind of a bluff 35% of the time here which is what I need to make the call profitable.

BelgoSuisse has 15 seconds left to act
BelgoSuisse has requested TIME
BelgoSuisse calls $14.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nisova shows [Jd Js] a pair of Jacks
BelgoSuisse shows [Td As] a pair of Aces
BelgoSuisse wins the pot ($40.05) with a pair of Aces

BelgoSuisse said:

I do think it's some kind of a bluff 35% of the time here which is what I need to make the call profitable.

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that percentage does seem about right tbh. Its pretty close as to whether its a call or fold, i still think i edge towards fold, but your call is justifyable (i think thats the right word)

Where are the idiots who turn good showdown value into bluffs OOP in my game?

c9h13no3 said:

Where are the idiots who turn good showdown value into bluffs OOP in my game?

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Well, it nearly worked. I really considered folding there.

But yeah, i really expected that i'd be up against a failed flush draw if i caught a bluff.