$25NL 6-max: Turn Line with 66 on AK6 board 3-way

c9h13no3

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SB is a 19/13/24%(2.6) reg who 3-bets garbage light, over about 800 hands. We have spewy 3-betting history.

BB is a 34/2/35%(2.7) drooler over a small sample.

Wtf does a reg limp call with & peel the flop on this board OOP? AT? 99? And given the reg's funky range & the stack size of the smack-tard, what's the best turn line?


CO: $24.21 (96.8 bb)
BTN: $4.91 (19.6 bb)
SB: $26.68 (106.7 bb)
BB: $15.23 (60.9 bb)
Hero (MP): $50.04 (200.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with 6
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6
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Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3) 6
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K
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A
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SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.35, SB calls $2.35, BB calls $2.35

Turn: ($10.05) 7
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SB checks, BB checks, Hero ??????????
 
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Umm, bet? 3/4 pot should do it. Not really sure why you would ever check behind here on the turn. You want to be building the pot and villains seem to like their hands. The 7 shouldn't have changed that.
 
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Umm, bet? 3/4 pot should do it. Not really sure why you would ever check behind here on the turn. You want to be building the pot and villains seem to like their hands. The 7 shouldn't have changed that.
My thinking is this: The reg can't ever have much worth stacking with. He probably 3-bets AQ, and I'm only getting 2 streets of value from the rest of his holdings. Firing into him twice in a 3-way pot shows a lot of strength for his holding.

The fish has a pot sized bet left in his stack, and is aggressive. Checking back allows him to make a committing bet or for me to bet the river & get him to call down lighter. So I don't have to bet the turn to stack the fish.

The main value in betting the turn is building the pot vs. the reg & charging them for a gut shot draw if they've got one.
 
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Umm, bet? 3/4 pot should do it. Not really sure why you would ever check behind here on the turn. You want to be building the pot and villains seem to like their hands. The 7 shouldn't have changed that.

This.

You have a dream board for a set. Even if villians have half a brain cell checking the turn and jamming the river looks much stronger than betting the turn, usually giving a free card here is a mistake. IF it was a HU pot then I could see more reason to check, but given your aggro image just bet it.
 
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Bet $6. Shove any turn if called.
 
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I agree with Tenbob & BW. If they were willing to call you after that flop and that 7 is not a scare card for anybody, so let them call your bet on the turn to get more money in.
Checking here makes a river raise/re-raise more suspicious.

You are last to act, and aggressive, so when they check and you raise they're not as likely to put you on a good hand and may call down with light.
 
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K, fine. I'm not sure if they're range is strong enough to call 3 streets, but whatever. I tanked, bet 7$, and they both folded. I also don't agree that its a dream board for a set, since I'm the preflop raiser. I'd rather have something like 9Q6, since I think that hits their flatting range much harder.

And checking back the turn & betting out looks like AT/AJ, but barreling the turn into 2 players is like "I have at least AQ, and even then I'd probably check that back" and its never a bluff. I'm just not totally certain the value is there on the turn. I just didn't have the will power to not put money in the pot with a set.
 
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And checking back the turn & betting out looks like AT/AJ, but barreling the turn into 2 players is like "I have at least AQ, and even then I'd probably check that back" and its never a bluff. I'm just not totally certain the value is there on the turn. I just didn't have the will power to not put money in the pot with a set.

there may be cases where slowplaying sets is actually better than betting them, but if you have to choose a default behaviour, always betting them is a lot better than always slowplaying them, and the few rare times where slowplay > bet are only small mistakes anyway.

If you realise people do fold too much, bluff more when you don't have the goods. :D
 
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How often do you fire a second barrel into 2 callers without at least AQ on that board? Probably never, so when you bet the turn there is no way you're getting called by anything less than that by the reg (the drooler will of course call with any ace). If you check the turn you're likely to make a few more $$ on the river because they'll be more likely to look you up knowing they don't have to call another bet and the drooler is short so getting all his money if he holds an ace should be a no brainer.

I agree that always betting your sets isn't a big mistake but in this situation you likely make a few more $$ by checking the turn and betting (or raising if one of your opponents goes crazy) on the river.
 
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there may be cases where slowplaying sets is actually better than betting them, but if you have to choose a default behaviour, always betting them is a lot better than always slowplaying them, and the few rare times where slowplay > bet are only small mistakes anyway.

If you realise people do fold too much, bluff more when you don't have the goods. :D
bluffing too little & slowplaying too much are HARDLY my problems with my game. In fact, I'd say its quite the opposite. Hence why I posted this thread. Wanted to know if this was an opportunity to get some value by slowplaying.

And I think the optimal line, given their likely ranges in this situation is to check the turn, but its possible I'm being a little results oriented. If the drooler had a full stack, I think the turn is a bet 100% of the time.
 
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