Fair enough. I just don't really get wound up over calling preflop with 85o for a couple of reasons:
1) Position & my opponent, which I've already covered.
2) The opening raiser's range is very wide.
3) Its a small mistake in terms of equity.
4) I feel my postflop skills are good enough where I won't put a bunch of bets in on like a 348 flop, or anything like that.
The main downside of playing a hand like 85, is that its rarely going to be able to win a big pot, and its easy to make mistakes with it postflop. But I don't think the actual call itself preflop is *that* bad. Its just the mistakes that you make on later streets when playing weak hands like this that make 85o bad.
And yeah, I really should have thought about the fish in the big blind. It definitely makes things tougher to maneuver. But if he hadn't been there, I'd like my call on the button 150bb's deep vs. a predictable opponent.
P.S. - Dorkus, stop posting faster than me. :|
P.P.S. - I also don't post hands here because I think the moves I make are good or bad, or because I want advice. I post because I'm trying to stimulate discussion, so that usually means posting a hand with some controversial plays in it.
Fine, you want to spark discussion, but as was pointed out by myself and two highly regarded members of this community, preflop IS spewy as played. This renders the rest of the hand somewhat moot since your edge over the opponent(s) must be bigger than the mistake you make by calling the CO's raise. It's called gambling and while, as I said, it might be good in a game where meta-considerations such as image, getting action and deception are very important, I doubt that your move is a successful one over time @ 25NL, because, as you pointed out elquently, there is a fish to your left that will happily donate his money to you without having to go through hoops and make dubious plays.
You're not in this to win pots, you're in this to make money, and every clearly negative EV move you make cuts into your hourly, wich is bad. The CO's range might be huge, but I'd say that all of his huge range is either a good favourite or flipping with 85o, so you can't really brush aside the equity difference as being a "small mistake".
Postflop line is good considering the circumstances.