$25NL 6-max: Pairs are hard to make in the Cadillac of Poker, and I'm not folding

c9h13no3

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Villain is a 61/21/50%(3.8) who I have no 3-bet stats on. Yes, pocket 4's probably isn't a great hand to 3-bet light with against smack-tards, but I don't care.

Since this guy has 2 braincells, and one has the day off, you guys like this shove?

CO: $32.81 (131.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $24.65 (98.6 bb)
SB: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
BB: $37.26 (149 bb)
MP: $17.48 (69.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 4
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4
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MP raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, Hero raises to $4.25, 2 folds, MP calls $3.40, CO folds

Flop: ($9.70) K
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K
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MP bets $9.70, Hero raises to $20.40 and is all-in, MP calls $3.53 and is all-in
 
BelgoSuisse

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Since this guy has 2 braincells, and one has the day off, you guys like this shove?

Not really, although it's not either pure spew. Just a very high variance approach to fishing. Why don't you just set-mine preflop?
 
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Ya I'm with Belgo here, I think set-mining preflop is probably better. I hate playing small pocket pairs in 3Bet pots even with position. I think there are better spots to balance your 3Betting range than this one.

As played, I don't mind the shove. His pot bet is probably like never a King. He most likely has some AQ, AJ or any two other random overs. Of course 55+ are in his range but I think that your ahead enough of the time to justify shoving.
 
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This guy isn't full stacked, and he raises like all the time. I don't see how I have a lot of implied odds.... And isn't having a bluff catcher awesome against a guy like this who will bluff off his whole stack if you give him an excuse?
 
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I'm not a big fan of the underpair shove.
A King is solidly in his range. As, is just about any pocket pair bluff beats you as well.

If he's a chronic bluffer maybe it's a call, but you need a specific read. And even then he'll turn or river a bigger pair than you 27% (or whatever) of the time.

If you had a read on the guy and beat him, nice call, dude. I'd be more comfortable with with you calling his bluff if your seats were reversed, you checked the flop, and he shoved.
 
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but you need a specific read.
61/21/50%(3.8), do I need more of a read than that?

Plus, donks slowplay a king here like always. The only thing we should really be afraid of is him playing 55 like this.
 
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It's not gambling, it's determining what range of hands villain takes this line with and deciding whether or not we are ahead of this range. His PSB is like never a king so his range is basically pure bluffs or 55+. Given how BAD the villain seems too be I think that this is most definitely a call.
 
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It's not gambling, it's determining what range of hands villain takes this line with and deciding whether or not we are ahead of this range. His PSB is like never a king so his range is basically pure bluffs or 55+. Given how BAD the villain seems too be I think that this is most definitely a call.

It's gambling. You just have an edge.

Unless you *know* the result it's gambling.
Gambling: wagering money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.
 
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Well the shove's basically a call, since you have approximately 0 FE. What kind of range do you put him on here? Problem is I'd put him on a lot of pocket pairs. They see 2 Kings, think "ooh if he doesn't have one of the last 2 there's no pair that beats me, let's get all the money in". It's the same thinking that gets fish to stack after flatting a 3-bet with 77 on a 632 flop when they wouldn't dream of felting it preflop. I just think this is 55-99 way too often here.
 
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