Originally Posted by Likminutz
I really don't understand such weak play post flop (pot control?).
I think this is a pretty cut & dry check call on the flop. Villain is c-betting this flop even more than the 72% average he has since its a dry flop. I don't want to lose out on that c-bet, so betting out is pretty bad. Check/raising is an option, but if I do that, I will likely have to be all in by the river. And I'd prefer not to stack off on the flop. There's no draws to charge either. So yeah, I'm check/calling flop for pot control + to get a c-bet.
Once again, I didn't check/raise the flop for the same reason I didn't 3-bet preflop. I have a medium strength hand. By raising, I fold away all the hands I can get value from, and likely get stacked by the ones I'm a large underdog to. 3-betting preflop is a little different in that I likely have more equity than say if I'm up against AQ on the flop, but the idea is much the same. And while I think 3-betting isn't a bad move (although, I prefer calling), I think check/raising this flop is pretty bad.
On the turn, the ace falls, which is an obviously bad card for me. A large portion of his range jumps ahead of me. Leading out here might actually get him to fold a hand like QJ/QT, but I'd obviously be called by any and every ace.
The river, is a tough decision, but that's what playing pots out of position is all about. But we do know that the T was another bad card. At this point, we can beat QJ, 9T, JT, Q9, KT. I can't really think of many other hands in his range that would call a bet here, and even then the tens may still fold. Betting the river for value is pretty darn thin. However, since I'm out of position, I can check to an opponent with a high aggression frequency, and make a judgement based on his timing, bet size, and how often he bluffs the river. This way, I'll get value from bluffs, as well as hands like QJ, ect. that v-bet that I can beat.
Originally Posted by Rounder_D
me i dont personally like playing a guessing game which check calling is exactly that.
I may be playing a guessing game, however, its a cheap guessing game. I'm forgoing a bit of information, in favor of keeping the pot small. Bloating the pot by check/raising, leading unfavorable turn cards, and in general playing this position aggressively might give me some information, but it will cost me money. And my goal in poker is to win money, not information.