[25nl] 3 Bet Pot vs. TAG

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First, maybe players were sitting out or something I didn't recognize, or I messed up in converting, because this is a FR table.

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $4.65 (18.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $25.25 (101 bb)
MP: $29.70 (118.8 bb)
CO: $24.35 (97.4 bb)
BTN: $5.05 (20.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with Q
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Q
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MP folds, CO raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, CO calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.10) 8
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9
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(2 players)
Hero bets $4.75, CO raises to $12

Villain here is 15/12 over 50 hands. I've seen HH's where players flat 3bets with AA/KK, but always saw that at like 100NL+...Had he 4bet PF, I could get away from this, but after he just flats, I am ruling out AA/KK only because of the stakes I am playing. I don't think anyone is doing this unless we had some sort of history together. This in mind...is this a shove? We can beat 1010/JJ, and flush draws...
 
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I 3bet shove but i'm not happy with it. But we've put too much money in the pot already and have too good equity against his likely range to do anything but stack our overpair here.

If he shows up with a set, you take a note that villain set mines in 3bet pots and you can start 3betting a lot more hands as you'll win a ton of pots with cbets against a set miner. Also, it's not a disaster as he barely had the odds to set mine anyway.

If he shows up with KK+, you take a note that he flats those against 3bets. if that's the case, than most of his 4bets will be QQ or AK.

If he shows up with a draw, you take a note he plays draws aggressively.
 
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Agreed. There's definitely not enough reason to fold, and you aren't deep stacked enough to flat call and re-evaluate the turn. Even if you were deep, I wouldn't expect flatting to get you paid off more by weaker overpairs, though. It might gain you a little versus draws, but only if you play perfectly on subsequent streets. This is a spot where your best case is to get it all in on the flop.
 
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im out of my depth readin this but what does 15/12 over 50 hands mean
 
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there is many money in already, so call and see the turn
if the turn is spade, 7, 10, K, or A, then fold
if not, dont think twice about betting the rest of his stack
 
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Thanks D'wilius not sure if i am going to get poker tracker yet do you think its a must?
 
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Yeah, just get it in on the flop. It's not a fist-pump shove by any means, but there's not much else you can do.

And don't get in the habit of trying to find folds with QQ preflop with 100bb stacks, either. Even if you were certain that he never 4-bet bluffs, and never does it with anything worse than QQ+,AK, then you're still virtually always wrong to give up preflop because of the dead money already in there. 50 hands is enough to decide that he's tight, but not that he's squeaky tight versus 3-bets. I'm looking for 2k+ hands before I can start having an idea about what their 4-betting range looks like, and without that information, I'm essentially always stacking with QQ preflop.
 
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