$25 PLO 6-max: Do you keep firing

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poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players


Hero (SB): $19.84 (79.4 bb)
BB: $25.25 (101 bb)
UTG: $24.05 (96.2 bb)
MP: $25 (100 bb)
CO: $35.78 (143.1 bb)
BTN: $30.87 (123.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7
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8
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6
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4
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2 folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, BB folds, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($4) 9
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A
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7
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Hero bets $2.50, CO folds, BTN calls $2.50

Turn: ($9) 4
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Hero bets $8.62, BTN calls $8.62

River: ($26.24) 3
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Hero bets $7.47 and is all-in, BTN calls $7.47
 
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Fold preflop. This hand is not worth playing in NLO. You will be giving your money away.
 
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hehe Bear... ok.... Depending on my scattered notes.... I'm only playing this hand NLO if I'm forced to by peeps calling my BB..... I wouldn't call a raise nor would I try and steal it from SB like this hero did. Wonder if his 2 pair were the nutz.

Better opportunities and hands in the future... this is a gamble hand and I would love to be in the Button's seat.
 
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Fold preflop. This hand is not worth playing in NLO. You will be giving your money away.

hehe Bear... ok.... Depending on my scattered notes.... I'm only playing this hand NLO if I'm forced to by peeps calling my BB..... I wouldn't call a raise nor would I try and steal it from SB like this hero did. Wonder if his 2 pair were the nutz.

Better opportunities and hands in the future... this is a gamble hand and I would love to be in the Button's seat.

+1. This hand is just begging for trouble. ;)
 
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bluffing in NLO is futile, and your chip stack will be assimilated.

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You cant bluff opponent because he has a hand he cant fold.
 
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Omaha is the game of nuts.
thats what i was trying to represent as i had the blockers

Fold preflop. This hand is not worth playing in NLO. You will be giving your money away.

Apologies it was actually PLO not NLO

I though I had a chance to get him off an Ace on flop or a weak 2 pairs and then if he turned two pair with his Ace keep bombing the Pot :)

Board [9c Ad 7s 4h 3s]
Seat 1: KATSOYFOS (button) showed [As Kh 7h 7c] and won ($39.43) with three of a kind, Sevens
 
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Fold preflop. This hand is not worth playing in NLO. You will be giving your money away.

Agreed. Omaha isn't my best game, but even ISOing here isn't a good reason to get involved. There's so many times the money goes in and you're just crushed with this hand. I really don't understand why you raised here honestly. Complete or fold seems much better OOP.
 
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You do understand that playing this way on the button if villian is checking to you, is so far removed from leading OOP the whole way right ? The one thing that I always take into the rare game of omaha I play, is that post flop position is king.

Complete from the small blind is even a leak imo. You are looking for nut straights with the 78d, flush hands that give you action kill you. Fold pre, unless your good.
 
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This is PLO as in standard high right. Am I missing something? Can someone explain why we are folding this preflop.
 
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thats what i was trying to represent as i had the blockers



Apologies it was actually PLO not NLO

I though I had a chance to get him off an Ace on flop or a weak 2 pairs and then if he turned two pair with his Ace keep bombing the Pot :)

Board [9c Ad 7s 4h 3s]
Seat 1: KATSOYFOS (button) showed [As Kh 7h 7c] and won ($39.43) with three of a kind, Sevens
I get that logic and it is very sound but preferably when we take a line like that we need to have 2 things

1) Some completed draw on the board. As it is the board is quite dry with tons of missed draws making it a lot easier to call with 2 pair type hands

2) Blockers to draws. We dont block anything on that board which means our bluff is quite random.


Another thing to consider here is that we bet a little too big on the turn and didnt leave enough to bomb the river. As it stands hes committed to calling you.

Also folding preflop is a huge mistake.
 
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Are you suggesting we fold pre or are you saying WTF at folding pre.

I am sitting with someone and we have interpreted that comment in both ways. FWIW i think they are retarded.
 
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Folding this hand is no good.
 
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IKR? So many nut straight draws we can flop... being POP kinda sucks, but not enough to fold.
 
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Just give up on the river if you couldn't already on the flop or turn. Bluffing here is like burning money. :p
 
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It's not that bad a bluff except for the sizing
 
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This is PLO as in standard high right. Am I missing something? Can someone explain why we are folding this preflop.

The flushes can be beat fairly easily, and the straights we might blunder into could be dangerous, meaning more than half the time we are the idiot ends of those straights.

That said, these cards do offer opportunities, and if I can see a flop with these cards I be a happy camper, but the key IMHO, is to see the streets cheaply. So for instance, when the flop comes all hi cards we can drop this hand like the brick it is.

Taking this semi-bluff 2p to showdown here is foolish. While there are no boats out there (no pair on the board), nor flushes, there is a xx56x str8, and the paired Ax to worry about. Most of all is that villain hit a set.

At $25 NLO it is sane to think that most of the players at the table will be reasonable experienced. We get no table dynamic notes from OP, so we can't deal with styles much.

Not to mention that OP first titled this thread as PLO, then posted a NLO hand, then came back and said oops, it really is PLO, while the HH still says it is NLO, and I still wonder if he was drunk, and thought it was really PLO8?
 
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The flushes can be beat fairly easily, and the straights we might blunder into could be dangerous, meaning more than half the time we are the idiot ends of those straights.

You cant not play a hand because you might get into trouble when you don't flop the world. This hand has a boat load of equity against any hand that it would be wasted to fold. You also have a lot of nut straights. We have 40% preflop against AKAQ assuming they have one of our suits, worse case scenario is someone has JT98 with our suits and even then we have 37%. This hand just has boat loads of equity against everything.

That said, these cards do offer opportunities, and if I can see a flop with these cards I be a happy camper, but the key IMHO, is to see the streets cheaply. So for instance, when the flop comes all hi cards we can drop this hand like the brick it is.

This is like saying, ill play AAxx passively preflop because the flop might come T98. Ofcourse there are times you don't hit a board, that doesn't render the hand useless on a whole

Taking this semi-bluff 2p to showdown here is foolish. While there are no boats out there (no pair on the board), nor flushes, there is a xx56x str8, and the paired Ax to worry about. Most of all is that villain hit a set.

Read my points on bluffing in this type of spot

At $25 NLO it is sane to think that most of the players at the table will be reasonable experienced. We get no table dynamic notes from OP, so we can't deal with styles much.
Players at 25plo are not reasonably experienced, they are god damn terrible, no one has a clue what they are doing at this stake

Not to mention that OP first titled this thread as PLO, then posted a NLO hand, then came back and said oops, it really is PLO, while the HH still says it is NLO, and I still wonder if he was drunk, and thought it was really PLO8?


Also people who say when we get our money in with this hand we are crushed, FFS, you don't just jam every straight you have and every flush, no one is advocating just going insane with 4th nuts or some shit, you still have to play reasonable
 
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My day is complete, Marge ripped me yet another new one.:eek:
 
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My day is complete, Marge ripped me yet another new one.:eek:

Im not trying to bash, Im sorry if I came off that way, I just actually want to discuss it. I do play PLO so I like discussion on the game.
 
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Lots of interesting ideas/concepts

PS i wasnt pissed and wasnt NLO8 or PLO8 lol and agree not fold preflop

I know the cards are low but double suited with the gap at the bottom is a call all day long, sometimes i prefer the straight hands with flushes as either backup or if i get the straight then blockers to flush draws

PS as for ripping a new one we never learn if we never get ripped :eek: and some on this site might even enjoy it
 
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No there are not lots of interesting ideas/ concepts, anything other than my posts can be disregarded as they are wrong. :D
 
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