$25 PLHE 6-max: anyway make more money on this hand

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 30/17/52

Merge - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $35.08
BB: $7.45
UTG: $25.32
MP: $25.65
CO: $26.24
Hero (BTN): $63.17

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 7:heart: 7:diamond:

fold, MP raises to $0.50, CO raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, SB calls $1.40, fold, MP calls $1.00

Flop: ($6.25, 4 players) K:diamond: 7:spade: 7:club:
SB checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6.25, 4 players) 4:heart:
SB bets $1.00, fold, CO raises to $2.00, Hero calls $2.00, SB calls $1.00

River: ($12.25, 3 players) K:club:
SB checks, CO bets $2.00, Hero raises to $18.25, SB calls $18.25, fold

Hero shows 7:heart: 7:diamond: (Four of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 54%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
SB shows A:diamond: K:heart: (Full House, Kings full of Sevens) (Pre 46%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $48.22
 
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I know i just wonder if you guys think i should lead flop. or Raise his the bets ETC or ETC....
 
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Fold Pre are you kidding me why would I ever fold a medium pair like this in a 6max game... His line raise the 50 cent raises i get cause a 1bb raise smells super fish and super weak. Plus if I hit his AFQ leads me to believe i can scoop a huge pot.
 
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Fold Pre are you kidding me why would I ever fold a medium pair like this in a 6max game... His line raise the 50 cent raises i get cause a 1bb raise smells super fish and super weak. Plus if I hit his AFQ leads me to believe i can scoop a huge pot.
Because it's a fold in a 6max game
 
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You fold pre in full ring as well. Any time there has been a raise and a 3 bet ahead of you, small-mid pairs just dont play well. You are going to get squeezed out by the origional raiser a good chuck of the time, and all the $1.50's you lose this way, and all the $1.50's you lose when you dont flop sets, make it a losing play in the long run.
 
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I'd bet the flop, maybe $4 or so. After 3 checks, you could easily be stabbing with little or nothing, so it's not all that likely they'll all fold. And no matter how many callers, you're basically set up to get one or more of their stacks in without having to overbet the pot like you did.
 
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Ok my above post makes me sound like a dick.So to correct that i'll tell you why it's a fold.
Reason to call would be to set mine.Given odds,and position.Cold calling a 3bet with effective stacks~100bb's is bad.What you don't have is a 11/10 nit that will ship 100bb's with top pair when you hit a set.YOU DO NOT CLOSE THE ACTION!!!
There is more that i could say but i'll just say this
"Fold pre"
 
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Ok lesson learned fold pre from now on. Just looking for advice not the "FOLD PRE" zinger. Thank you joebob i understand what you are saying now and understand your logic. I wish more people on here could offer insight and reasoning to their advice on here since thats the reason im here. To pick yalls brain. LOL thanks
 
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You wouldn't be in this situation of you had just folded pre. You made a mistake, therefore the events that unfolded are kind of irrelevant.
 
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You wouldn't be in this situation of you had just folded pre. You made a mistake, therefore the events that unfolded are kind of irrelevant.

Not at all.

We all make mistakes, thats why noone here is playing nl$1K. It is completely revelent as to how we play a hand after we do something stupid preflop.
 
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Fold pre definitely, as for how else to play it, I raise turn.. you may have quads and want to let people catch up but you still need value for your hand.

But come on seriously you stacked a guy what more do you want? Concentrate on what not to cold call 3 bets with pre before working out how to extract the most with quads...
 
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Fold pre.

I'd bet the flop and when you get to the river here SHOVE. Any king calls any amount and everything else folds to any amount. So get max value against the kings. I mean you left him with ~$13 here that he would have called 100%. Pretty huge mistake.
 
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mmmm.Didn't even notice that.I read preflop action and seen results.
How does villain not raise river?
 
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Villain figures he only gets called by another King (or quads) and saves a little rake (or a lot if hero has 77) by simply calling.
 
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You have to get called by a 7 often enough to make it the correct play.
I would assume
 
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Nah, a seven doesn't make that big raise.
 
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Mistake comes with calling pre, either fold/4-bet pre depending on stats.
Bigger mistake comes when you hit the nut board for what villian/you have and not get stacks in on river. As WVH said, "Any king calls any amount and everything else folds to any amount".
 
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Thanks for all the advice guys. You would be happy to know that today i was sitting UTG and raise with 99 3bet then 4bet and i happily chuck my 99. Folded AK to a nit today after he 3bet me as well. feeling Pretty good about hy hand reading skills today.
 
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The way to make more money is to size your bets so that you get the effective stacks in by the river. In this case, if you focus on how much you have to bet to get the SB's stack in the middle by showdown, that will also take care of the others. And if you plan to bet all three streets, your bet sizes can all be less threatening than potting.

Sure, sometimes you'll bet the flop and everyone will fold. But what would they fold that's likely to improve enough for them to stack off?
 
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Well if you read i said im not sure why it said pot limit. Infact if you read the hand history im almost 100 percent certain it says "NL".
I have heard check check quads when you hit cause you have the deck crushed i just wanted some other thoughts. SO far I like what you guys are saying and it all makes alot of sense.
 
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Nothing in this thread or the hh say nl. The only thing we have to go by here is the thread title which says PLHE. Maybe you should reread your own posts.
 
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The HH says .25NL unless it was edited.Thread title surly say plhe though.
Edit: In game i still would have shoved if i were the villain and "hope to get a call by a 7".After some thought i know your right no way a 7 makes that big of a raise.
 
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