$25 PL O 6-max: Will pushing here isolate?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 98/64/74

BTN is running 98/64 w AFq 74, 3bet 45% over 66 hands.

UTG is running 28/8, CO is running 75/16, both are regs that I recognize (I don't recognize BTN).

UTG and CO are obviously trying to play alot of pots w BTN, as am I. Will re-potting here get me HU against BTN (no question he's calling)?

poker stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/464399
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UTG: $25.00
Hero (MP): $38.30
CO: $24.00
BTN: $193.05
SB: $4.75
BB: $24.15

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with Jd Jc As Qc

UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, CO calls $1.10, BTN raises to $5, 2 folds, UTG calls $4.75, Hero ???
 
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Hard to say.. you are likely well ahead of the maniac but if you raise and btn calls/shoves over you it's somewhat likely he'll decide whatever he has is good enough 3 ways with a moron...but then you never really know what a player will do till you see them do it. Some with those stats autofold anything but decent/good AAxx and premium rundowns when you repot, others won't.. in this case, with the maniac in the hand, he rightfully shouldn't throw out as many hands.

BTW that starting hand isn't quite as good as it appears to be. The pair of jacks is more of a detriment than a help (you are better off with a K, T or even a 9 instead of the second J) and not being suited to the ace knocks a point off as well. It's still certainly a playable hand, just don't' overvalue it.
 
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BTW that starting hand isn't quite as good as it appears to be. The pair of jacks is more of a detriment than a help (you are better off with a K, T or even a 9 instead of the second J) and not being suited to the ace knocks a point off as well. It's still certainly a playable hand, just don't' overvalue it.

Gotcha - yeah, the value was simply that it was so far ahead of the moron's range, hence the desire to isolate...
 
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The biggest thing here is, how do they percieve you? If you have nit stats the reg. most likely will get out of your way. UTG just calling the maniac's raise seems to me that his hand is good but not super. Otherwise he would be playing for stacks pf. If you repot he most likely will get out of your way.
 
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Gotcha - yeah, the value was simply that it was so far ahead of the moron's range, hence the desire to isolate...


Oh yeah it's definitely good enough for that.


As to the original question just to expound a bit more... bubba has a good point, if you have been playing and isolating a lot at the table as you seem to indicate you have been..that will make a reg who is paying attention more likely to go with whatever he has.

Three ways you only need >33% equity. It's fairly likely he has that.
 
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I always wanna comment in the PLO strategy questions but by the time I get to read it the point is almost always made for me. Not really a complaint, but more of kudos to the posters.

Sly I would raise to isolate in that spot with the hand that you have.. Although I think if you do you may at this point get shoved on.. Another good point by Tygran is the strenth of the hand.. In that spot alot of the times its good to smooth call and see a flop, but going back to the nits range it is good enough in that spot to isolate and put in another bet..
 
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I always wanna comment in the PLO strategy questions but by the time I get to read it the point is almost always made for me. Not really a complaint, but more of kudos to the posters.

Sly I would raise to isolate in that spot with the hand that you have.. Although I think if you do you may at this point get shoved on.. Another good point by Tygran is the strenth of the hand.. In that spot alot of the times its good to smooth call and see a flop, but going back to the nits range it is good enough in that spot to isolate and put in another bet..

Yeah, I flatted and saw a four way flop, which was less than ideal. After the hand, I wondered if I'd pushed whether I could get HU, but after reading comments, I'm not sure - I think both regs would recognize what I was trying to do, so I kinda doubt it...

Fortunately, I ginned the flop, so worked out in the end...
 
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Not to beat a dead horse but here are a few basic facts about lower limit plo:

1) most people are terrible at it

2) most people are way too passive

2a) this means most people call way too much preflop, and rarely raise/bet out without the nuts (they will also not fold bad draws to terrible odds)

2aa) this means that it's often impossible to get a sizeable portion of the player pool to fold preflop regardless of what you do or what they have. They are simply going to see a flop with any four cards.



In regards to this specific hand.. my main comment about the hand strength had more to do with the multiway potential of the hand than with the ins and outs of premium starting hands... heads up against a maniac, that hand is good to get lots in preflop... however in a 3 to 4 way pot with at least one decent(ish) TAG... that hand starts looking much less appealing. If someone else has a another high card hand with a pair QQ+ and maybe someone else has your flush covered (both of these not at all unlikely) you are in pretty awful shape. so that's what I was mainly getting at.
 
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