$25 PL O 6-max: Nut fh on turn facing two all-ins on river

Only 20 hands on each Villain. CO looks like a solid reg so far, 26/14. BB is a fish, 93/21. No reads postflop.

Two quick questions - is calling BB's turn raise ok? Is the snap fold river ok?

Before someone points it out, I probably should have 3bet pf - I've been playing unsuited unconnected AAxx hands pretty passively pf intentionally though.

poker stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
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CO: $29.25
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $46.40
BB: $40.80

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A:diamond: A:spade: 8:heart: J:club:
CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35) 2:spade: T:diamond: T:spade: (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.35) T:club: (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $1, Hero calls $1, BB raises to $6.25, CO calls $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

River: ($21.10) K:club: (3 players)
BB bets $20.05, CO raises to $22.25 all in, Hero folds

Yea you definitely have to fold the river. The way CO played his hand I expect to see a ton of KKxx hands or a cheekily played 10. BB could honestly have anything (QQ, JJxx) and we should obviously not worry about him but If CO is a solid reg, you are rarely ahead here.

Also, you can't fold the turn, BB is obviously very bad and bad enough to be doing it with any pair preflop.

The fold is good.

You will run into either KKxx or Txxx quite a bit here (seriously..the quads show up far more than you would think in this spot)


I would have bet the flop though and played cautiously if I got significant action... I think you will get a ton of folds and you are simply ahead most of the time. plus noone has the NFD. If you get flatted by somebody you can barrel a bunch of turns too. If the fish flats and the reg folds I like your hand much more cause the fish will have all kinds of crap he won't fold here, most of which you are beating.

As played though..definitely a fold on the river

The fold on the river is standard. I also would have bet the flop. Tygran's analysis for betting is spot on.

Yes u have to fold (sigh), who had the ten??

To answer yr comment I dont 3bet PF w AArags, need a stronger hand to want to force the action. AA can be a trap hand, as we saw here...

A bet on the flop would be standard, at least to c where u r at, also could take it if no 10s out... if u get a big raise on flop bet you have to consider folding to the set...

Makwa said:

Yes u have to fold (sigh), who had the ten??

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What it looked like - BB had the T w an absolutely trash hand, CO had KKxx...

Not betting the flop - I was worried that CO might c/r and put me in a tough spot - I wasn't worried he had a T per se, but was worried that he might get me off the best hand by repping a T, and I wasn't keen on getting all in or even calling a c/r from CO w an overpair - CO clearly isn't simply opening big pairs, he's opening alot of rundowns as well.

The line Tygran describes makes tons of sense - does the above make sense (i.e., should I just b/f here on the flop and lump it?)?

slycbnew said:

What it looked like - BB had the T w an absolutely trash hand, CO had KKxx...

Not betting the flop - I was worried that CO might c/r and put me in a tough spot - I wasn't worried he had a T per se, but was worried that he might get me off the best hand by repping a T, and I wasn't keen on getting all in or even calling a c/r from CO w an overpair - CO clearly isn't simply opening big pairs, he's opening alot of rundowns as well.

The line Tygran describes makes tons of sense - does the above make sense (i.e., should I just b/f here on the flop and lump it?)?

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The times you bet and get c/r bluffed out of the pot here will pale in comparison to the times you don't bet and lose value imo.

Besides... I don't think the co is going to c/r *anything* short of a ten here anyway... not with the fish in the hand.

slycbnew said:

Not betting the flop - I was worried that CO might c/r and put me in a tough spot - I wasn't worried he had a T per se, but was worried that he might get me off the best hand by repping a T, and I wasn't keen on getting all in or even calling a c/r from CO w an overpair - CO clearly isn't simply opening big pairs, he's opening alot of rundowns as well.

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HU I would agree, but he is less likely to c/r with a fish in the hand who will call anything, so still prefer a bet...

River is an insta fold.

I'd probably default to folding the turn, but since BB is very bad and 3rd player probably knows this too i guess calling is ok since solid could have KK and put BB on a stupid pair.

As far as pre I dislike 3 betting. Our hand isn't that good, we'd rather just see a flop with it...also people love to put 3 bettors on AAxx esp at lower limits, so it doesn't turn our hand over as much. I'd prefer 3 betting our better AAs (double suited, double paired, straights etc) and 4 connectors (T987) or wrap hands (T986) preferably with 2 suits for balance and just flatting the bad AAs (unless of course we can get a signifiant amount of our stack in preflop, in which case 3 betting is fine)

As far as the flop -- I'd probably bet. We probably aren't going to get action from many worse hands, but we can fold out some flush draws and other nonsense. If raised, it's an easy toss which can set us up to be outplayed yea but I dont think many villains will get too fancy when Tx is in our range easily