$25 PL O 6-max: Call with trips top kick?

Lost 2 HU sngs, so I decided to take a little break and sit with $15 at .10/.25 PLO. Table has been crazy (somebody allin on every hand so far). Do we through it in here? Is this a chop situation with villain redrawing to the flush?


Seat 1: JunkieStar ($10 in chips)
Seat 3: icefloe ($73.95 in chips)
Seat 4: dkriquelme ($31.70 in chips)
Seat 5: jordanbillie ($12.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Ankerlos ($25 in chips)
Ankerlos: posts small blind $0.10
JunkieStar: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jordanbillie [7h 2s Qs As]
icefloe: calls $0.25
dkriquelme: calls $0.25
jordanbillie: calls $0.25
Ankerlos: calls $0.15
JunkieStar: checks
*** FLOP *** [7c 3d 7d]
turataika leaves the table
Ankerlos: bets $1.20
JunkieStar: folds
icefloe: folds
dkriquelme: folds
jordanbillie: raises $3.60 to $4.80
qhakeitto joins the table at seat #2
Ankerlos: raises $10.80 to $15.60

I'm a Omaha noob so my advice certainly is not the best, but preflop doesn't seem right with such a trashy hand. Sure you have a suited ace, but there is another card of the same suit and a suited ace enough isn't gonna cut it, AQ72 won't connect to the board very often. I dump that junk hand. if you're raising the flop you obviously can not possibly fold when even if you're beat you still have at least 6 outs and you have over 1/3rd of your stack in there.

ABorges said:

I'm a Omaha noob so my advice certainly is not the best, but preflop doesn't seem right with such a trashy hand. Sure you have a suited ace, but there is another card of the same suit and a suited ace enough isn't gonna cut it, AQ72 won't connect to the board very often. I dump that junk hand. if you're raising the flop you obviously can not possibly fold when even if you're beat you still have at least 6 outs and you have over 1/3rd of your stack in there.

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This is not a trashy hand for PLO/8. You have A2 suited for the nut low. You have AQ suited for the nut flush and or Royal. And you have two str8 possibilities, the nut high and a low. I would have raised PF.

Looking at the reraise He could be drawing to the nut flush. He could also have the bottom boat. You have 10 outs for the top boat. You also have a chance for the low. But you are also looking at possibly splitting the low.

You have 10 outs for the top boat. You have 16 outs to the nut low. You are getting about 3-1 to call. I would make the call.

And you need to sit down with the full buy in at an Omaha table. When you hit that hand that scoops the pot you want the maximum value for your hand.

bubbasbestbabe said:

This is not a trashy hand for PLO/8. You have A2 suited for the nut low. You have AQ suited for the nut flush and or Royal. And you have two str8 possibilities, the nut high and a low. I would have raised PF.

Looking at the reraise He could be drawing to the nut flush. He could also have the bottom boat. You have 10 outs for the top boat. You also have a chance for the low. But you are also looking at possibly splitting the low.

You have 10 outs for the top boat. You have 16 outs to the nut low. You are getting about 3-1 to call. I would make the call.

And you need to sit down with the full buy in at an Omaha table. When you hit that hand that scoops the pot you want the maximum value for your hand.

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Just so you know this is PLO not PLO/8. I usually don't sit with the max at a PLO table unless I am playing a stake lower than my current level.

Whoops my bad. Then you are only drawing to 10 outs here for the top boat. You're still getting about 3-1 to call. Tough decision. Marginal edge all around. There are 3 hands you can put him on then. Bottom boat, flush draw, or the other 7. If it was me I would call. You still have redraws to the top boat if he has the bottom or flush draw. And you have top kicker with the set.

And I would have folded this PF.

Ye i fold preflop, as played snap call fist pump

jordanbillie: calls $7.60 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($3.20) returned to Ankerlos
*** TURN *** [7c 3d 7d] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [7c 3d 7d Kh] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ankerlos: shows [Ad 5h 9d 7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
jordanbillie: shows [7h 2s Qs As] (a full house, Sevens full of Deuces)
jordanbillie collected $24.75 from pot

Turns out we both had top set top kicker but he was in MUCH better shape. We tie here a third of the time and he wins almost half the time. I got really lucky with the 2 on the river

Yeah, I'm not a good Omaha player, but I do read a lot of its theory. And in order to have a dominating hand (ie, not a coinflip) you need redraws or multiple draws on the flop. And its really hard for a hand like AQ72 to flop a hand where you have a strong hand on the flop plus redraws.

This is why hands like QJT9 are so strong. Any flop where you flop top two, you also flop an open ended straight draw, giving you redraws against any other top two pair. Or when you flop the nut wrap (98x board), you also flop a pair, so you don't have to improve in order to win vs. another nut wrap QJT. The redraws you're likely to have are set by your hand preflop.

Thus, preflop, you should value hands by what kind of redraws they can make, and how well the 4 cards work together. Hands like KQJT double suited can obviously be played in all positions, and as you move closer to late position, you can add more hands that are speculative, or don't work as well together.