$25 PL HE 6-max: Check flop for value on later streets?

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No stats on villian(s), would you check flop to try and gain value on turn/river? I think I took down a good sized pot on the flop and my play was correct, but want some feedback.








Hand History:

UTG: $25 (100 bb)
MP: $33.77 (135.1 bb)
Hero (CO): $30.61 (122.4 bb)
BTN: $26.60 (106.4 bb)
SB: $14.76 (59 bb)
BB: $24.27 (97.1 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with K
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K
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UTG folds, MP raises to $1, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN folds, SB calls $1.65, BB folds, MP calls $0.75

Flop: ($5.50) 8
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4
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Q
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(3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $4.55, 2 folds

Results: $5.50 pot ($0.27 rake)
Final Board: 8
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4
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Q
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Hero mucked K
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K
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(a pair of Kings) and won $5.23 ($3.48 net)
 
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my thinking was that I was holding a great hand PF that could only realistically be beat by an A on the flop, and I wanted to gain a little value without forcing folds preflop. Do you think raising to $3 is more effective here? I think a large percentage of the time that ends the hand PF. As you can see, the SB came along for this price where he may not have otherwise.

EDIT- JUST NOTICED THE TITLE IS PL HE, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A NLHE RING GAME.
 
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Douggyfr3sh said:
my thinking was that I was holding a great hand PF that could only realistically be beat by an A on the flop, and I wanted to gain a little value without forcing folds preflop.
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You're going to get called a lot even when you do pump this to $3+. By min-raising you're broadcasting your hand, but you still don't get value. So you give them information that they will use to play better against you, while you get very little money in the pot in return.

3-bet this preflop to $3.75. We don't mind being heads up, and we want to make the stack to pot ratio small so that we can safely stack our over pair. Don't check that flop either.
 
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Thanks! This really helps. PS- how much you want for those sklansky bucks? :)
 
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you cant go far wrong with 3betting in the micros if you just hit the pot button each time.

I can tell just by your post your underplaying your hands out of fear of being folded to. When you 3bet your KK here and everyone folds so be it. I would much rather have everyone fold to my 3bet than giving a whole host of small pocketpairs and suited connecters to draw on us.

Think of it this way. When we do get 33, 56 and 79s to come along with us how are we going to stack them? These hands we do not want coming along cheap, when they hit they will stack us, when they miss they lose nothing unless were up against someone who commits to a pair of 3s.

Raise big and hope for KJ, AQ, JJ are coming along. When these hands hit were gunna have a nice big pot setup by our big 3bet so are opponents gunna get stacked by us loads.
 
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Great analysis Deco

Deco,

That's some sound reasoning for sure. I guess the theory make em pay is very true.
 
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yeah minraising was not good here. Like everyone says it invites small pairs and a lot of suited connectors to come along for the ride. Since there is a flush draw on the board im also definitely not checking the flop. If the flop was something like Jc 5d 2s maybe then i would
 
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Deco said:
you cant go far wrong with 3betting in the micros if you just hit the pot button each time.

I can tell just by your post your underplaying your hands out of fear of being folded to. When you 3bet your KK here and everyone folds so be it. I would much rather have everyone fold to my 3bet than giving a whole host of small pocketpairs and suited connecters to draw on us.

Think of it this way. When we do get 33, 56 and 79s to come along with us how are we going to stack them? These hands we do not want coming along cheap, when they hit they will stack us, when they miss they lose nothing unless were up against someone who commits to a pair of 3s.

Raise big and hope for KJ, AQ, JJ are coming along. When these hands hit were gunna have a nice big pot setup by our big 3bet so are opponents gunna get stacked by us loads.
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Thanks Deco, great analysis and sound reasoning
 
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i cant remember a situation where a minreraise makes sense...

also never check behind on this board, your not that strong, all you have is an overpair... espescially cause of your minreraise a lot of weird hands might have come along..
 
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Definite 3 bet your only bet by Aces or some one holding QQ don't give the Ace chaser in Micro the chance to Spike one.. make em pay for it.
Only time to check Flop if you are playing at a super Aggressive table and you flop the nuts that can not be improved on,

then call and Nut Peddle after the first Raise.
 
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