$25 NLHE Full Ring: Is Villain supposed to fold or call here?

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This is a pretty simple hand. I 3bet with A7s on the button and get 2 callers. Villain donk bet the flop and I shoved (effectively almost a min raise). I had put him on QQ or KK when he donk bet so big.

Some might question my shove on the flop, however, if you 3bet A7s on the button then you are not folding when you flop an Ace. I had the blocker to AK, AQ, AJ, AT and when the flop comes TJA, it's very unlikely he has an Ace and now I'm losing to even fewer combos of better Aces. If he has a better Ace, god bless him then.
 
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Your opponent played the hand badly, but what's more debatable is your line. Fold pre. Fold to 4-bet. Fold flop.

He is not donking into you. He's c-betting 3-way in a 4-bet pot. Just because you have an A blocker doesn't mean his flop c-betting range isn't heavily skewed towards big A hands. You also have a cold-caller behind you. His range is suited broadways like AJs and some AQo/AKo, 99-QQ. Pre was spew once, and flop is spew.

Opponent should check flop and decide turn. Calling off is okay once he bets though because he's calling like $12 to win almost $60. His gs + set outs are pretty much always live.
 
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Fold to the preflop 4-bet squeeze. That's going to be QQ+/AK nearly always.

Pretty sure you should be folding to the flop bet too. Too many AA/AK in his range and the coldcaller in between you likely has some AK/AQ/AJ/AT/KQ/JJ/TT in his range as well.
 
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I dunno why we're giving this fish advice on playing 4-bet pots when he clearly has huge geysers all over his game.

The best advice you'll get is probably just to keep being a dealer. You'll make more. And if you insist on playing, move down stakes (2nl), and read a book by Ed Miller.
 
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c9h13no3 said:
I dunno why we're giving this fish advice on playing 4-bet pots when he clearly has huge geysers all over his game.
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Thinking about the hand and posting our thoughts improves our game too, imo.

read a book by Ed Miller.
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Wow, that's one of the first times somebody other than me recommends a book by Ed Miller. Almost started to think he was some sort of persona non grata here.
Because of Ed Miller, I've been a winning player from the second I started playing 9 years ago. The way that guy can explain concepts: superb stuff for beginning players!
 
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Yeah, if you want to read about NLHE, make sure his name is on the cover.
 
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I just have to say this....
Not all hands are played in a vacuum.

I knew exactly where I was in the hand and won a huge pot thanks to it.

Most of the time, yes, I should have folded to the 4bet.

HOWEVER, when you do call a 4bet on the button with A high and flop an Ace, then you are never folding.
 
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MinhANguyen said:
Your opponent played the hand badly, but what's more debatable is your line. Fold pre. Fold to 4-bet. Fold flop.

He is not donking into you. He's c-betting 3-way in a 4-bet pot. Just because you have an A blocker doesn't mean his flop c-betting range isn't heavily skewed towards big A hands. You also have a cold-caller behind you. His range is suited broadways like AJs and some AQo/AKo, 99-QQ. Pre was spew once, and flop is spew.

Opponent should check flop and decide turn. Calling off is okay once he bets though because he's calling like $12 to win almost $60. His gs + set outs are pretty much always live.
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He is 100% donking into me. And you're 100% wrong about my A-blockers. That's PRECISELY why having A blockers allow you to make this move. Sure, preflop sometimes I am wrong. But when the flop comes as it was, it is extremely unlikely I'm behind.


AS I ORIGINALLY SAID - there is no doubt in my mind that the "standard" move is to fold pre. But when you DO call - and flop an ace - you should never fold.
 
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Well, fuk. Looks like I just totally trashed this hand up lol.

I guess I just got lucky, then huh guys?
 
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We've all been there before. No worries.
Time for a break? Or a nap? :D
 
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I would fold preflop here
 
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this initial 3b isn't good.. calling is better. I suppose once you get to the flop u can go with it.. surprised to see u have 40% vs KK+/AK
 
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nkat said:
this initial 3b isn't good.. calling is better. I suppose once you get to the flop u can go with it.. surprised to see u have 40% vs KK+/AK
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What do the equity percentages actually mean in PT4?
 
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