$25 NLHE Full Ring: Turned full hosue, check back river?

No reads on villain.

UTG +1 Calls $0.25
UTG +2 Folds
UTG +3 HERO Calls $0.25 (Table was fairly loose and figured raising this hand would not do to much so I chose to limp. Mistake?)
UTG +4 Folds
Dealer Calls $0.25
Small Blind Calls $0.15
BB Checks

5 way to the flop

Flop($1.25) 4c Ts As

SB Checks
BB Checks
UTG+1 Checks
HERO Bets $0.85
SB Calls rest fold

Turn ($2.95)Ah

SB Checks
HERO Checks Since there is A rags in villains range along with flush draws, is this check behind horrible? Refer to this thread to see kind of why I decided to check back here.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/25-nlhe-full-ring-turned-full-244421/

River($2.95) Kc

SB Checks
HERO Bets $2.15
SB Raises $20

HERO Snap folds.

Was pretty obvious SB had A10 or maybe AK(doubtful from preflop action) I don't think Arag would make a raise this crazy nor would a busted flush draw. I was planning on calling a normal check raise of $6-$9 all day long but this was just way to absurd.

Now for the real question, should I be checking behind on this river? What is calling here that does not have me beat? A busted flush draw going for a check raise? Arag probably would of led out on this river, but maybe a full house would of too? Pretty sick spot and would love to hear some good opinions so fire away!

Is it just me who can't find any comment about which hole cards you had?

Rhinelander said:

Is it just me who can't find any comment about which hole cards you had?

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Haha I had 44

If you think your range estimation on the turn is correct, then you should be betting and building a pot. I'm not going to say it is or isn't, but you should be betting.

I hope you're not asking if you should check a FH in a limped pot on the river. I mean, without reads/info it's a fold. There's very few combos that beat you, but usually people won't raise this much with Ax or as a bluff at these stakes.

bet the turn for a little more info? can't see any sense in checking the river behind with a boat, it's good most times.. the huge RE- looks super strong there's definitely plenty hands out there that are beating you, really smart disciplined fold..

we're not betting the turn for info, we're betting because e we have a set

turn check is awful, build a pot please, river's a fold but he could raise some Ax here since we shouldn't ever have a boat given our line because surely no-ones bad enough to check back a boat in that spot?

oh wait

OMGITSOVER9K said:

we're not betting the turn for info, we're betting because e we have a set

turn check is awful, build a pot please, river's a fold but he could raise some Ax here since we shouldn't ever have a boat given our line because surely no-ones bad enough to check back a boat in that spot?

oh wait

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Big reason I checked was because I thought villain had a lot of flush draws in his range and was trying to get extra value from them since majority of players fold draws on paired boards, I do agree I should of bet, maybe half pot.

I also had this hand fresh in my mind and wanted to try a line other than bet bet bet https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/25-nlhe-full-ring-turned-full-244421/

IPlay said:

Now for the real question, should I be checking behind on this river? What is calling here that does not have me beat?

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Seriously? Trip aces for starters, KQ/KT is also possible to get some value from.

And you are missing the mega hand here which is QJ, it is entirely possible that's what the villain had as many players over play broadway gutshots. And the way this hand panned out it really doesn't look like you have a FH so he could feel like he has the best hand. Its not completely unusual to check/raise the nut straight/flush on the river despite a paired board. I have done it many times too, sometimes its the wrong move and sometimes its the right one.

But of course the absurd shove in the end is the real problem here. I don't think I can ever fold a FH on a board with one pair against an unknown opponent.

Oh and the check on the turn isn't entirely wrong since there is nothing wrong with trapping with a FH IP.

IPlay said:

Big reason I checked was because I thought villain had a lot of flush draws in his range and was trying to get extra value from them since majority of players fold draws on paired boards, I do agree I should of bet, maybe half pot.

I also had this hand fresh in my mind and wanted to try a line other than bet bet bet https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/25-nlhe-full-ring-turned-full-244421/

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past hands don't matter, bet turn or don't make money

AK/KK/AT/TT doesnt limp so for us to be beat here he literally has to have A4 (blockers) and AT sometimes.

he has enough Ax/QJ for us to call I reckon

I didn't even consider QJ to be in his range

Big mistake, kind of makes me unsure about the fold now but I still feel like a 4x pot raise on the river on a paired board is not really straights.

Not played well, cause you didn't bet the turn you have a tougher decision on the river. As played I'm calling the river.