$25 NLHE Full Ring: Turned 2 pair gets check raised.

$25 NL HE Full Ring: Turned 2 pair gets check raised.

poker stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 518756
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MP2: $34.80
CO: $25.00
BTN: $25.25
SB: $10.00
BB: $44.80
UTG: $25.00
Hero (UTG+1): $32.00
MP1: $23.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with Q :spade: A :club:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 5 folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) 8 :heart: A :diamond: K :club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.10) Q :diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $9.75, Hero???,



Villain was 14/9 over 309 hands.

Unless villain is a rock you are not getting me off this hand. I'm probably just shoving here.

What can he have to call pf in BB and baluga the turn other than a set or AK, unless he's a total dummy? I'm probably giving him too much credit for smarts (maybe he called the flop w KQ), but he shouldn't show up w a straight or a bd flush draw (he shouldn't be showing up w QQ+ either, so maybe I'm crediting the set too much, it's really down to 88), and AK is obviously in Hero's range so even AQ/KQ should be hesitant to c/r the turn.

But maybe he's just a dummy and not thinking about Hero's range. I dunno, I hate it when the only way I can make sense of Villain's line says that Hero ought to be beat, but I'm suspicious that Villain doesn't know what he's doing. I shove too and take a note, but I'm not happy.

I'm wondering about his agg factor here. If he's ultra passive I might even let this go by forcing a timeout when I throw my mouse at the wall. I don't see why we're jamming here if we think his range is dangerous. KQ might or might not call us, and nothing worse does. We range-screw ourselves with a jam. We're in position. Flat and probably flat the river. Why play for stacks deep unless villain is superaggro?

I'd classify the guy as tight/typical. He wasn't very aggressive. Hadn't really seen him get out of line...

I don't see anything that we beat that check raises on the turn with the one exception of KQ which is not really the Checkraise kind of hand either. It's the turn and another big bet is coming on the river and we have what figures to be a marginal hand and there are a lot of crappy cards that can hit the river that makes that money wasted. What can we honestly beat here that does this?

Ubercroz said:

What can we honestly beat here that does this?

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So, we should fold?

Stumped...

I will say that I discounted 88. Villain donks 88 on the flop, right? At least, sometimes...

I agree that he doesn't have 88, I think he donks or check raises the flop with that. AK or an occasional A8, I think AK is most likely.

The only thing that gets me to call/shove here is if I've seen him do some wacky plays before, because it's only that an A8 that you beat.

Fold and curse the poker gods.

I would not discount the 88 because on the flop he has clearly the best hand but might be defending on turn against a flush draw or straight draw hoping that you have AK maybe. Think of how often you see sets slowplayed at these stakes check call turn shove- not too crazy really.

With an AK8r flop your set of 8's looks like it's going to get a ton of action. I can't see it being slow played very often.

thepokerkid123 said:

With an AK8r flop your set of 8's looks like it's going to get a ton of action. I can't see it being slow played very often.

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A 14/9 at 25nl (I'm assuming all 300 hands are at 25nl?) isn't a good thinking player, he may not realize he can get alot of action on this flop - it wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm pretty sure it's this kind of player that spawned the reason for the Baluga theorem.

The more I look at this and the comments, the more it looks like a fold. He's probably passive, the board should be scary as hell for him...

slycbnew said:

A 14/9 at 25nl (I'm assuming all 300 hands are at 25nl?) isn't a good thinking player, he may not realize he can get alot of action on this flop - it wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm pretty sure it's this kind of player that spawned the reason for the Baluga theorem.

The more I look at this and the comments, the more it looks like a fold. He's probably passive, the board should be scary as hell for him...

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^^ this, theres a good chance he was hoping you might barrel into him all the way and spazzed when he saw the turn. Not like 88 is his only holding, but it shouldn't be too discounted. I'm sure there are some other bizarre things showing up but I cant figure out what a 14/9 is going to have that checkraises that we beat. I say fold and move on to the next hand cant win everypot and sometimes you get bluffed. if hes rotten enough to check raise something you beat here then there will be some other opportunities to make the lost money back on.

Thanks for the help guys. I think folding is the play.

The particular combination of improving and getting check raised on the same street plus stacks/pot and not being able to put him on a hand threw me for a loop.

I actually shove after some deliberation and villain calls w/ JT.

As soon as he raised, my first thought was "How the f#ck does he get here with JT?".

I need some coffee before I think about it any more but, I think his craise clearly represents JT and I think I made a big mistake continuing with the hand.

Well, that answers one of the basic issues at least - he's a dummy. Buddy list/notes ftw.

Double-A said:

Thanks for the help guys. I think folding is the play.

The particular combination of improving and getting check raised on the same street plus stacks/pot and not being able to put him on a hand threw me for a loop.

I actually shove after some deliberation and villain calls w/ JT.

As soon as he raised, my first thought was "How the f#ck does he get here with JT?".

I need some coffee before I think about it any more but, I think his craise clearly represents JT and I think I made a big mistake continuing with the hand.

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"I HAS FOUR OUTZ, TAKE ME TO THE RIVER! EASY GAME LOLZ"

JT not the hand I would expect to show up here. They are pretty likely lines for 88/AK, though. Since I am a donkey cash player, I probably push , but folding looks correct . Crummy spot.