$25 NLHE Full Ring: TT on the button, gets called and maybe squeezed

$25 NL HE Full Ring: TT on the button, gets called and maybe squeezed

SB is 80/25/3 over 24 hands or so, BB is a big stack with 9/7/2 stats over 46 hands but hasn't 3 bet yet. Limpers are loose fishy types and become irrelevant, other than the fact that from my opponent's eyes I could be raising in position with a less than premium hand.

I don't really think this is an actual squeeze as at this level people don't fold often enough to make it worthwhile, so given BB's stats and the level I expect him to have a decent hand. I expect LAGfish in SB to complete if I do.

I think this is a mandatory call? Would some people 4 bet here? Is it still a call with with 99/88/77?


poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP1: 78.8 bb
MP2: 100 bb
MP3: 57.6 bb
CO: 20.6 bb
Hero (BTN): 107.8 bb
SB: 62.2 bb
BB: 177.4 bb
UTG+1: 159 bb

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with T T
UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls 1 bb, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 1 bb, CO folds,
Hero raises to 6 bb,
SB calls 5.6 bb,
BB raises to 16 bb, MP1 folds, MP3 folds,
Hero

Well if my math isnt of where geting 3-1 and if your sure the SB comes along its 4-1, obviously not good enough to set mine but asuming villain does this with AK,AQ and will c-bet a missed board atleast some of the time its a decent price.
Both villain are aggresive post flop so it isnt a stretch to think u will stack them both if u hit a set, thats 137BB, so yeah i dont mind a call here specialy IP.

NineLions said:

Is it still a call with with 99/88/77?

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Huh?

sindri_93 said:

Huh?

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With 99/88/77 instead of TT

NineLions said:

With 99/88/77 instead of TT

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Yeah obvs. mental note, do not read HA tired .

Not sure really, 99/88/77 basicly play the same against 3bettors range but we might be in more more sticky spots with 77.

sindri_93 said:

Well if my math isnt of where geting 3-1 and if your sure the SB comes along its 4-1, obviously not good enough to set mine but asuming villain does this with AK,AQ and will c-bet a missed board atleast some of the time its a decent price.
Both villain are aggresive post flop so it isnt a stretch to think u will stack them both if u hit a set, thats 137BB, so yeah i dont mind a call here specialy IP.

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Yeah, I don't know that we're looking just for setmining odds as we're not like 200bbs deep, we need to be getting value from TT/JJ against AK, and if the flop comes dry maybe the third hand (assuming SB calls as well) helps to slow AK down. Especially helpful is the fact that we'll be in position.

It's possible too that the BB thinks that I have a less than premium hand and I've just tried to isolate the limpers, and he's hoping to fold me and the limpers out and play in position against SB.

I'd call as we have position its blind on blind and we do not have a large sample to know for sure he may not do this light as its a very tempting spot.

When no A or K shows we take one off on the flop and fold the turn.
The money we make from when AK fails to improve should make up for us not having set mining odds.

NineLions said:

Would some people 4 bet here?

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Yes some people would.
Said people despise money and want nothing to do with it. Hence they solve this quandary by getting 5bet of their hand or stacking off against a range that crushes them.

Oh and as for 77/88/99, tbh we have to draw the line somewere as i really wouldn't like calling with 22 despite it being all the same against AK it isnt the same on the offchance this is light and when the board pairs.
I personally would draw this line at 88 but I guess this is personal preference.

Deco said:

I'd call as we have position its blind on blind and we do not have a large sample to know for sure he may not do this light as its a very tempting spot.

When no A or K shows we take one off on the flop and fold the turn.
The money we make from when AK fails to improve should make up for us not having set mining odds.

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On a gut level, this makes sense to me. Anyone math inclined care to demonstrate it?

slycbnew said:

On a gut level, this makes sense to me. Anyone math inclined care to demonstrate it?

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I've done this myself on StoxEV, sadly I cannot obtain the update or my original post as my membership has ran out.
It was a similar but different situation. QQ but out of position and the 3bet weren't blind on blind.

I'd advise anyone with a stox membership to create a StoxEV chart for this hand. It is a fairly simple scenario to recreate.

Deco said:

I've done this myself on StoxEV, sadly I cannot obtain the update or my original post as my membership has ran out.
It was a similar but different situation. QQ but out of position and the 3bet weren't blind on blind.

I'd advise anyone with a stox membership to create a StoxEV chart for this hand. It is a fairly simple scenario to recreate.

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Not familiar with the program; maybe someone who has access can run the scenario and post results here ....