$25 NLHE Full Ring: Thoughts?

cut-off is 17/13
button is 8/6

I c-bet this as i thought both of them are gonna play straight-forward on this board, chances are they will have lots of pp's too which will fold to the c-bet.

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BB: $10.00
UTG: $11.68
UTG+1: $21.56
UTG+2: $8.50
MP1: $76.87
Hero (MP2): $25.97
CO: $34.92
BTN: $31.36
SB: $20.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP2 with 5 :diamond: A :club:
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.60) T :club: J :heart: Q :club: (3 players)
Hero bets $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN folds

Turn: ($6.10) 7 :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO calls $4

River: ($14.10) 5 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $12, CO folds

Why bet river?

I just check/fold this flop. But I also dont spew with A5o pre.

Haha, okay i should of expected that. I raised A5o here because the button was 8/6 so essentially only one player in the way of my button and he was 17/13, is it really so bad to try and steal with A5 when you have one tight guy to your left?

Im not always opening A5 in MP+2 obviously without them conditions.

I bet the river because villain is a 17/13 reg, The board is so wet i would always always always expect him to be raising any really strong hands like sets/ two pairs. I would of expected him to 3-bet AK pre, so that's why i kept putting pressure on him. Dunno if its bad or what not just wondering.

Wish you hadn't shown the results on the river, but I wouldn't have even gotten that far anyway, I'm probably always pitching this one pre and definitely check folding the flop if i don't, but I'm a nit.

acky100 said:

Thoughts?

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Nit on tilt.

Worst board possible for a cbet

Only part I like is the river bet except it should be smaller.

I fold pre, and probs dont cbet that flop, all your folding out is PP <10's and we're OOP so it just sucks having to keep up the aggression when we're drawing to 3 K's, with the villain poss having 1 of them we have like 2 outs with nearly no FE imo

This is the thing. Right, i agree that board is terrible to c-bet on, like everyone knows that's the worst board ever to c-bet on pretty much, you're right yeah should of been a fold, maybe i was tilting i dunno.

The stuff i was more wondering about is my play after the flop, like the turn and the river. And whether my reasoning justifies keeping up the aggression.

What would villain flat call with multiway on the flop? What hands would you flat there and not raise? The turn pretty much bricks, which is why i figured i would keep up the aggression as i was sure i could make him fold one of his marginal hands by the river. When he doesn't raise the turn on this board he really doesn't look happy with his hand, i dont think there's many flush draws in a 17/13's cold calling range because flush draws are always very few combo's and there is a good chance he would of raised flush draws too. So most likely has some sort of broadway pair that he thinks is alright, but i just couldn't see him continuing on this board to 3 big streets.

How much would you of made it on the river baud? Do you not think making it smaller would make him be a bit likely to call me with one of his medium strength hands?

Can we all stop hating on me opening A5 here, i dont do this all the time but stealing here when you're essentially in the cut-off cannot be a bad thing, NITS.

I'm one of the more loose players on this site, and I'm telling you to fold pre and fold flop. I used to do the same things here (post HHs and complain I wanted to talk about the turn when I spewed preflop.). Trust us, you need to learn some discipline in these spots.

If you're opening wide here because CO/BTN are nits, then you need to seriously re-evaluate when both the nits call you and the board is scary as all get out.

Alright, thanks guys. Really isn't a valid reason for betting the flop/

So say co/btn and blinds are all nits like 12/10 and downwards, A5o is a definate fold if you've been stealing successfully previously?

How about folding A5o but opening A4s?

Im struggling to see why opening A5 in the (cut-off im calling it) Is so bad just to steal the blinds against a bunch of nits to my left?

Can i not be opening it here acceptably and then just folding when they eventually do play back?

I wouldn't be thinking of opening A5 here or in the cut-off if the blinds were at all anything but tight/nits.

acky100 said:

Im struggling to see why opening A5 in the (cut-off im calling it) Is so bad just to steal the blinds against a bunch of nits to my left?

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The difference is that A5o is barely profitable as a steal alone. When you stick two players in between you and position, it becomes horrible. Sure, they're only going to play 15-20% of their hands from that position, but that small edge is more than enough to push a breakeven hand like A5o into being unprofitable. Or if you like math:

If the nits are 12/10's, they probably play 15% of their hands on the button. That means you're going to get both of them to fold 72% of the time. Those two players are like having a guy with a 28% VPIP on the button with you in the cutoff.

acky100 said:

Can i not be opening it here acceptably and then just folding when they eventually do play back?

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Since you barreled a wet board 3 times, apparently not.

I get the LAG mentality. You wanna push everyone around, and you think you can make up for poor preflop hand selection preflop by playing well postflop. But this is really the wrong way to approach your strategy.

Thanks for that C9, thinking of it as if a 28 vpip guy was on the button actually does help me understand that it isn't a clear cut steal opportunity like i thought.

Post-flop is spew, I don't have so much of a lag mentality and want to push everyone around, i honestly think i was just tilting here and probably the result of reading multiple books on hand reading and getting a bit fancy too :/

I actually think/thought that when im not tilting, (i dont tilt much fwiw) choosing preflop situations is one of the better aspects of my game. But i really want it to become more solid before i move up